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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#23376: Feb 14th 2020 at 2:37:19 PM

It’s definitly the transition period to when Araki was figuring out the concept of Stand powers & how to utilize larger casts.

Sure we can all agree that Stardust didn’t use its cast the best but I argue it’s somewhat of an improvement over Battle Tendency having Joseph do everything of major.

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wassboss Since: Mar, 2019
#23377: Feb 14th 2020 at 2:54:20 PM

[up][up] I don't feel saying Part 3 is the least important is really very accurate. Part 3 transitioned the series from one power set to another and while the execution was clunky it was what allowed Araki to work on the new Stand system he was introducing.

In fact it was because of Part 3's popularity that Araki decided to continue the series (he was originally only planning on the 3). So in that respect it's important because it's popularity in Japan made possible all future Jo Jo parts.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#23378: Feb 14th 2020 at 2:58:05 PM

Oh damn so if it wasn’t for Stands we would have had only 3 parts.

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#23379: Feb 14th 2020 at 3:05:05 PM

I'm surprised he was planning up to three. Was that the plan, even when he was writing Part 1?

wassboss Since: Mar, 2019
#23380: Feb 14th 2020 at 3:14:21 PM

He planned it to be 3 parts from the beginning. He's said in interviews that the original plan for part 3 was to be a retelling of Dracula with DIO in the place of Dracula. Which makes sense really when you look at part 1 which is really more about setting up DIO as a character than it is about Jonathan. Araki has himself said that in Part 1 he was more interested in drawing Dio than Jonathan.

Edited by wassboss on Feb 14th 2020 at 11:17:21 AM

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#23381: Feb 14th 2020 at 4:10:28 PM

I think I only read the original Dracula story in graphic novel format once when I was a kid, does it also take place over the course of a century?

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Feb 14th 2020 at 5:10:47 AM

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#23382: Feb 14th 2020 at 4:27:53 PM

[up]No. I think it's a few months at most.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#23383: Feb 14th 2020 at 4:35:35 PM

Seriously though, imagine that if it wasn't for Stands we wouldn't have all this (motions to all of Jojo).

No Koichi, Kira, Bruno, Mista, Jolyne, Pucchi, torture dance, old Joseph's senile ramblings, "Do you believe in gravity", Ghiaccho's obsession with vernacular, or Steel Ball Run.

Jesus Christ its amazing how different things could have been had Araki not made the decision to change to Stands & instead stuck with Hamon.

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#23384: Feb 14th 2020 at 5:26:15 PM

What Stands could be replicated almost the same with Hamon? Soft and Wet uses bubbles, like what Ceaser did, and I could see a more passive usage of Hamon that allowed normal soap bubbles to carry small objects, though it obviously wouldn't be able to steal more esoteric things.

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#23385: Feb 15th 2020 at 7:33:39 AM

the dracula novel by bram stoker has very few common points in it structure than Jojo does, and most of the similitudes are sorely for part 1 since it's the closest. Whatever araki had in mind originally was already a huge divergence from the source material.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#23387: Feb 17th 2020 at 3:44:41 PM

Huh the Diamond is Unbreakable movie is finally getting a Western release.

Man this whole thing was weird.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#23388: Feb 17th 2020 at 5:14:09 PM

Oh yeah, no Jojolion this month. It sucks because I'm soooo antsy to see if Yasuho lives or dies, and how she gets out of it if she lives. Like, so much weird stuff went on last chapter that I feel some sort of genius plan/big save/rube goldberg machine is going on, I just can't figure out what.

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#23389: Feb 17th 2020 at 6:05:24 PM

@ Pushover

Pretty few of them, Stands mostly run on giving its users unnatural powers, you might replicate the effects of Magicians Red or maybe Red Hot Chili Peppers with Hamon, but The World, Killer Queen, King Crimson, Made In Heaven, etc. are all impossible to replicate.

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#23390: Feb 17th 2020 at 7:54:12 PM

@PMC: S&W not only uses bubbles, but it's also implied to use the Spin to create them, so the Hamon parallel is even stronger.

But yeah, Stands allow for a much wider variety of powers that Hamon would have a hard time covering.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#23391: Feb 17th 2020 at 8:51:11 PM

Plus Stands simplify things.

With Hamon you have to be trained in it by Hamon masters which is why Jonathan & Joseph go through their own training arcs to get the full hang of it. And despite its crazy tricks it’s primary purpose is to kill Vampires & Pillar Men with its sun powers.

If Hamon was kept either every MC would already have to trained in it or undergo a training arc but you also need to come up with a new group of baddies that have some kind of weakness towards the sun or else the main purpose of Hamon would be lost.

By making everybody a Stand user it cuts down on all that & allows you to immediately head into the story & action.

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#23392: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:38:50 PM

I wonder: what if parts 1 and 2 involved Stands instead of vampirism and Hamon? I could imagine Part 1 playing out pretty similarly... not so sure what Part 2 would become.

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#23393: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:50:16 PM

Part 2 abilities already have the creativity of Stands anyway, so I don't think much would change.

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#23394: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:51:11 PM

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#23395: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:52:39 PM

Well, if there were no vampires, the Pillar Men wouldn't exist, and DIO would never survive into Part 3.

Edited by DelphineTheDelphox on Feb 18th 2020 at 12:52:50 PM

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#23396: Feb 18th 2020 at 1:04:11 PM

I wonder: what if parts 1 and 2 involved Stands instead of vampirism and Hamon?

Well, Steel Ball Run kinda answered that.

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#23397: Feb 19th 2020 at 10:25:43 PM

Literal shower thought: Could a Stand hold open their users eyelid?

Like let's say Jotaro had to win some kind of staring contest, or fought a Stand that would beat him if he closed his eyes. Could a Stand like Star Platinum physically hold open his eyelids to make sure he doesn't blink?

I know this sounds stupid and ridiculous, but I would not be shocked if this would be included in Jojolion or any other part.

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#23398: Feb 19th 2020 at 11:57:51 PM

Sure. Why not?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#23399: Feb 20th 2020 at 7:08:27 AM

A thought, how much stuff did Ceaser actually do?

Like okay he got into the fight with Joseph when they first met, got his ass kicked by the Pillarmen when they are first released, joined Joseph in training, & after that my mind is a blank barring his death.

Was his only substantial action in the series dying?

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#23400: Feb 20th 2020 at 7:27:25 AM

Sure he died, but his fight with Wham was pretty kickass.


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