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Rinsankajugin HIIIHOOO!!! from XT, Oinotna Nas Relationship Status: I know
HIIIHOOO!!!
Aug 22nd 2019 at 7:44:43 AM

That depends on whether Josuke returns for Part 9. How would one nerf King Crimson anyway?

Edited by Rinsankajugin on Aug 22nd 2019 at 9:45:36 AM

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Aug 22nd 2019 at 7:53:04 AM

I feel a fusion antagonist is a very real possibility, but I also feel Araki is going to pull the trigger on the foreshadowing of "yeah when humans use the new Rokakaka it gives things like "health" and that's cool and all, but when a Rock Human uses the new Rokakaka it's the real shit".

KusaMigeru Interesting Person #928 from AAAAAAAMAAAAAAZOOOOOOON Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Interesting Person #928
Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:10:07 AM

@DIO being destroyed via ZA WARUDO: Alright, Stands are a manifestation of one's spirit, and not just "fighting spirit" (unless a Gucci bag and a tree have a will to fight).

That said, DIO is a very resistant vampire who can shrug off being donuted, beheaded, etc. His Stand has no such resistance and can be normally damaged - and the damage, transferred to DIO. It's not a stretch to say that hurting/blowing his Stand can bypass the whole vampire invulnerability and destroy him. And even then, he wasn't killed there, just incapacitated long enough for a transfusion and a sun tan.

@Part 8 ending: Yes, everything indicates we haven't seen the final form of the main antagonist's Stand yet. I like the theory of Joubin fusing with somebody and evolving his Stand, and King Crimson coming back is nice - it fits the Higashikata Stand naming convention. I don't know if Gappy would (or should) be getting a ludicrous new power, though.

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Fedetropes Nothing I do makes you disappear from Doomed universe Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Nothing I do makes you disappear
Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:14:05 AM

It's easy, just make it so the amount of seconds Forecast and Time Erase covers decrease because lack of use, like How Star Platinum:The World degraded his Time Stop because he stopped using it

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Hobgoblin Cool Blue Magic from Jylland Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Cool Blue Magic
Aug 22nd 2019 at 8:27:28 AM

Jotaro says that DIO must have known a car was coming when he had his ear to the ground, but DIO only did that when he thought Jotaro was dead on the ground.

I thought he was talking about when DIO fell on the ground due to nausea.

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PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Aug 22nd 2019 at 2:20:59 PM

I wonder if, during the final battle of Part 6, Pucci had to leave the location of the battle and run a few miles over the course of a few accelerated hours to the nearest store to steal those knives he threw during Jotaro's stopped time. Either that, or he had them on hand, but I like the idea that while they were flying through the air super slowly from Pucci's perspective, Pucci just left for a few hours to go get some knives.

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Hobgoblin Cool Blue Magic from Jylland Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Cool Blue Magic
Aug 22nd 2019 at 5:51:43 PM

Time was moving at a regular rate of pace for Pucci, wasn't it? Or am I remembering wrong?

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Nofix from Over there Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:41:12 AM

Random prediction: If there is a King Crimson expy or reference in Jojolion, it'll be called Demons and Wizards.

The fact I heard their song titled "Crimson King" for the first time today has nothing to do with said prediction.

(also first time posting in this thread. Hi.)

Edited by Nofix on Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:44:49 AM

slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:43:58 AM

[up] Yo.

....... Huh I can see it.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:44:56 AM

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
fredhot16 from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Aug 23rd 2019 at 1:19:34 PM

[up][up] ITíS A SPY! Sniper!

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Aug 23rd 2019 at 3:19:07 PM

(also first time posting in this thread. Hi.)

THIS MUST BE THE WORK OF AN ENEMY STAND.

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Rinsankajugin HIIIHOOO!!! from XT, Oinotna Nas Relationship Status: I know
HIIIHOOO!!!
Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:05:40 PM

Oh shit, I just realized something. Josuke's Soft & Wet plunders concepts... King Crimson plunders time. It makes so much sense!

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PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:05:50 PM

Yeah, that is one of the logic points behind that theory. That it's a natural evolution for Soft and Wet to go from stealing sound and friction to stealing segments of the timestream. Also, despite Josuke's story paralleling Kira, his character also parallels Diavolo in a lot of ways. Diavolo and Josuke are both two people in one body, and while Diavolo tries hard to erase his past and remove any family ties, Josuke tried hard to learn his past and create family ties.

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Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia
Mighty No. 51345
Aug 23rd 2019 at 10:12:54 PM

I might agree with you if Josuke would steal something like that again. He seems to use his bubbles as a shield or bombs now, for the most part. I think the only clue we're getting as to its evolved form is the bit of string/hair/whatever that the plant appraiser saw as the form of Josuke's bubble.

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Nofix from Over there Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Aug 24th 2019 at 4:36:47 AM

A lot of Stands suffer from Early Installment Weirdness specific to them and them alone, before Araki establishes them fully. Examples include Star Platinum getting Jotaro all of that stuff in jail before we learn of his 2 meter range; Highway Star's room...thing. Gold Experience's reflection and mind slowing down powers. The whole Whodunnit incident with Dimes for Crimes.

I mention this only to say that while Soft and Wet's powers have been generally consistent, the earlier explanations and incidents might be brushed under the rug (whose friction he plundered). You can take this in favor or against the fan theory. (Personally, my gut says no.)

slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Aug 24th 2019 at 4:41:03 AM

Huh in hindsight it is bizarre how Star Platinum was able to get all that tuff.

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devak Lich King from Northrend Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Lich King
Aug 24th 2019 at 7:41:31 AM

[up] It's explained early on that the power of a stand is dependent on range. The further away, the weaker. So Jotaro could grab all that because his stand (like all others) had infinite range. Araki straight up retcon this into hard distance limits. Which, in my opinion, was the right move even though it contradicts prior established rules.

So it's not so much Early Installment Weirdness as it is a straight retcon.

Edited by devak on Aug 24th 2019 at 4:43:49 PM

Aug 24th 2019 at 8:20:48 AM

I mean, even with no distance limits it still leaves the question of how all of that stuff was physically entering the cell, undamaged, and with no one noticing until it was already there.

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Nothing I do makes you disappear
Aug 24th 2019 at 8:56:15 AM

One funny similarity I noticed between Giorno and Trish is that both technically have two biological dads (Jonathan and DIO for Giorno, Diavolo and Doppio for Trish) of course the circumstances and the way it is are different

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Hobgoblin Cool Blue Magic from Jylland Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Cool Blue Magic
Aug 24th 2019 at 10:14:05 AM

Highway Star's room...thing.

That's not weirdness, that's its power. Highway Star was developed specifically for the purpose of healing Yuya. Since he wasn't injured when he fought Terunosuke, it just wound up being a supbar punch ghost.

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Comun Translation Trainwreck Enthusiast from Lostbelt 7 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Aug 24th 2019 at 12:16:21 PM

[up][up][up]I don't have any reasonable answer for "entering the cell undamaged" but the answer for "and no one noticing until it's there" should be "time stops".

Aug 24th 2019 at 1:13:54 PM

Timestops is also the answer to entering the cell undamaged: Star Platinum opens the cell during the timestop, brings in the stuff, closes the door, and resumes time.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Aug 24th 2019 at 1:37:53 PM

@ Fedetropes: The real reason why Diavolo tried Offing the Offspring was that he wanted to avoid paying double child support

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Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Aug 24th 2019 at 2:23:45 PM

The full OST for Part 5.

Tracklist:

     Vol. 1 Overture 
00:00 il vento d'oro
04:55 alba
06:35 crepuscolo
09:37 tensione
11:41 passione
13:44 il primo assassino
15:49 bugia
18:13 attacco
20:29 esperienza d'oro
22:55 misterioso
24:57 crisi
27:17 pace
30:39 il sole
32:14 male
34:57 riproduzione
37:05 ristorante bar
39:33 proiettile
41:49 canzoni preferite
44:11 aereo da caccia
46:15 spensierato-rabbia
48:12 virus
50:11 situazione difficile
52:00 nella cerniera
54:02 legame
57:30 un sogno
01:00:55 squadra
     Vol. 2 Intermezzo 
01:03:24 Meraviglia
01:04:57 Coercizione
01:07:04 Puro
01:09:09 Suspense
01:11:15 Serenamente
01:13:38 Spiritoso
01:15:40 Piccolo (Formaggio's Theme)
01:17:59 Incursione
01:20:25 Specchio (Illuso's Theme)
01:22:46 Resa dei Conti
01:25:09 Invecchiare (Prosciutto's Theme)
01:27:42 Pesce (Pesci's Theme)
01:30:12 Teso
01:32:33 Di Molto (Melone's Theme)
01:34:56 Ghiaccio
01:37:02 Passato
01:40:19 Vita
01:42:15 Eremita
01:44:33 Un'altra Persona (Doppio's Theme)
01:47:34 Сapo (Diavolo's Theme)
01:49:47 Lotta Feroce
01:53:41 Morte
01:44:24 Determinazione
     Vol. 3 Finale 
01:58:03 Traitor's Requiem Diavolo Ver.
02:01:48 Profezia
02:03:58 Diavolo
02:05:54 Guardia
02:08:06 Squalo (Clash's Theme)
02:10:23 Dominazione
02:12:30 Carne (Notorious B.I.G's Theme)
02:14:54 Figlia (Trish's Theme)
02:17:51 Sventura
02:19:49 magnetica (Risotto's Theme)
02:22:18 Contrattacco
02:24:43 Epitaffio (Epitaph's Theme)
02:27:11 la Strada Giusta
02:31:55 Carro (Chariot's Theme)
02:34:32 Pazzo
02:36:34 Fango (Secco's Theme)
02:39:24 Muffa (Cioccolata's Theme)
02:41:35 Doppio
02:44:39 Cavaliere (Polnareff's Theme)
02:47:15 Incontrollabile
02:49:26 Trasfigurazione
02:51:34 Reminiscenza
02:53:47 Pensare
02:55:51 la Battaglia Finale
02:58:20 Permanenza
03:00:47 Ascensione
03:01:47 Fine della Vento Aureo
03:04:36 Traitor's Requiem Giorno Ver.

David Productions really took the soundtrack to a new level with Vento Aureo, I can't wait for what they decide to do with Part 6. I hope Pucci has pipe organs.

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PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Aug 24th 2019 at 9:47:14 PM

Weirdly enough, a lot of people on the internet seem to be under the impression that most Stands are massively FTL in speed, which is just plain ridiculous. The assumption seems based on one feat in particular, where Silver Chariot slashes The Hanged Man while Hanged Man is moving at lightspeed, and then people just extrapolate from there, with Star Platinum fighting Silver Chariot, a bunch of people fighting Star Platinum, and everyone who's ever fought anyone who's fought Star Platinum must also all be FTL.

This despite the fact that the whole basis for this is a lie and an absurd misunderstanding of the original scenario. Silver Chariot couldn't hit Hanged Man normally and Kakyoin needed to set up the exact path Hanged Man was going to take in order to Polnareff to hold out his sword in front of him and just have Hanged Man run into the blade at lightspeed.

Of course, not to mention the MANY instances where Stands being less than FTL are an explicit plot point, such as Highway Star, White Album, and the entire usefulness of Mista's Sex Pistols, which only ricochet otherwise normal bullets from a normal gun. Another example is in Part 6, where early in the Made In Heaven fight, everyone acts like Pucci moving 30 times faster than a normal human makes him completely untouchable, and they're right, he dodges a Star Platinum barrage of punches from point-blank range. Almost all Stands aren't anywhere near lightspeed, even Star Platinum is maybe 10 times faster than a normal human, maybe, even that might be pushing it.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 24th 2019 at 9:55:50 AM

My JoJo Part 5 fighting game idea.

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