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The funny thing is Kira is capable of some level of human connections.
His relationship with his father is positive & he starts sorta falling for Shinobu, to the point of protecting her.
Meanwhile barring his respect of Jonathan &, DIO is a straight up uncaring bastard for the most part (his relationship with Pucci is introduced long after his tenure as a villain) & while he may treat his minions well, he is quick to turn on them such as with Enyaba. then there's Diavolo is so psychotic he's willing to murder his daughter out of paranoia & his relationship with Doppio is too ambiguous enough to decide whether he genuinely cares for him.
I believe its a combination of Giorno's Stand & Bruno's absolute willpower.
Edited by slimcoder on Mar 12th 2019 at 11:12:21 AM
The Enyaba thing was especially bad because she was unconditionally loyal to him and would have never betrayed him...and he still killed her....although Joseph and Hermit Purple might have made her loyalty moot, so I can kinda get it.
I think think people make too much of Kira protecting Shinobu from. If he had won and kill Jouske, Jotaro and the rest of the Morioh gang, she'd have been his next victim sooner or later. And his dad may have loved him but he was a sick evil bastard too that it's not a point is his favor.
I guess people just don't think about the real life factor that Kira has the most plausible mindset of all of Jo Jos villains. His is the behavior that does kill women in the real world. And his goals are just so petty. Dio, Kars, Diavolo and Pucci want to reach for the heavens themselves all in their own ways. Kira just wants to defend his own privilege and those kind of villains are in my eyes are by far the most loathsome.
But then again, this is a fandom that thinks Funny Valentine is an admirable Anti-Villain despite him basically wanting the same things that Donald Trump and his most rabid followers want and that he wanted to rape a 14 year old girl.
Edited by Xeino on Mar 13th 2019 at 2:48:02 AM
I feel like your taking this a wee bit too personally.
Not at all, I just try to have a social conscious about what I watch or read. More people should have them.
But let's change the subject heres a video I found on Stone Ocean that points out some of it's biggest flaw and how it devalues Giorno: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU-LzH-5lQU
Okay thatís rather condescending & rude.
In my experience that's why people find Kira one of the most compelling villains. Because he's the kind of evil that you could actually see existing, as opposed to something like DIO's fantastical supervillainy.
I have seen several "How to make a great villain" or "How to make a villain feel real" that have praised Kira & used him an example of how to do a villain right.
The fact he does feel so real & believable is what nails his status as a great villain.
Yeah I don't see how people don't catch on to the fact that Kira is one of the most realistic Jo Jo villains when it's one of his most praised traits. The reason he's not a Complete Monster was given to you a page ago, and it's that the Starter Villain of all people outdoes him in monstruosity and that disqualifies Kira by the rule of the CM cleanup thread.
This feels like pushing a narrative regardless of the evidence to me.
Edited by Yumil on Mar 14th 2019 at 9:30:15 AM
Personally I've often liked Kira as a villain because he is a more personal villain than the others, except maybe Part One Dio.
For the heroes, tracking him down isn't about saving the world, it's a personal goal, either to avenge a fallen loved one or to protect that which is nearest and dearest to them.
In Buffy the Vampire Slayer terms, it's the difference between Angelus and the Master or the First Evil.
Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 14th 2019 at 7:39:45 AM
I do agree that people thinking "Funny Valentine was right" is a problem in this fandom though.
How hard is to see that his plan might save America, but screw over random parts of the world?
Yeah it is.
His philosophy is basically "fuck you got mine" on a worldwide scale and obviously trying to rape a 14 year old girl is deeply heinous. He's a total asshole. This is all fine though because he's the villain, so him being terrible and wrong is expected and perfectly acceptable. Except it seems some people didn't get the memo.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Mar 14th 2019 at 10:57:15 AM
People think he's not bad because he's patriotic.
He's understandable. His plan sucks for everyone with greater intensity the further you are from Liberty Island, but you get where he's coming from. Not to mention that, in his mind, he's the hero. Villains with that approach tend to be pretty compelling.
Is he right? Duck no.
Ya gotta respect a man who manages to be a credible & fearsome villain despite being named Funny Valentine.
Edited by slimcoder on Mar 14th 2019 at 12:28:12 PM
Thank you to everyone who says Funny Valentine is a bad guy! I've been arguing this ever since I've finished part 7, FV is an extremist nationalist who is willing to turn most of the planet into a Crapsack World. Nothing about that goal is heroic or admirable for anyone who has a sense of empathy for people of other nations.
To be fair, he would make right on his promise to make America great again(even if it's at the expense of everyone else), unlike a certain other president. But yeah, he's a villain, just one of only two main villains who's got good intentions so it stands out
The Civil War still happened in the SBR verse, so I'm wondering where the line of presidents changed(also worth noting that he is the 23rd). Is this a universe where he was the Republican choice against Grover Cleveland, instead of Benjamin Harrison? Who's the vice president to be put in charge after his death?
These "good intentions" are a matter of dispute as well, if you think about it.
Y'know, this makes me think: Johnny ended up taking the Corpse's power to Morioh, therefore giving Japan the possibility of acquiring Stands (as it's been implied the soil had acquired the properties of a Devil's Palm site because of that, even before the Walls appeared). Given this, I wonder how that may have affected World War II...
I mean, really the thing where Valentine's motivation falls through is that we're not given any sign that America is in anywhere near bad enough shape that relying on supernatural agencies that will demand a high but unspecified price is even kind of warranted.
And, like, he could've just tried to be a good leader instead of focusing entirely on trying to force Jesus to solve his problems for him. Which now that I say it like that, suddenly he seems like a fairly spot-on critique of American politics- He wants to take the easy way out by invoking Jesus, and it all boils down to 'fuck you got mine'.
In fairness at least when he calls upon Jesus he really does mean fucking Jesus.
Sure itís the corpse of Jesus but a dead Jesus is better than no Jesus at all.
To be fair anime has its share of "griffith capers", disgusting as it is so it's not surprising to see some people think Valentine did nothing wrong. I always got the impression he was a villain though. Like recall he tried to rape lucy <_<, which is both wrong and absolutely gross.
Sad thing is back then that was probably a common thing with teenage girls.
Edited by Vertigo_High on Mar 14th 2019 at 11:41:32 AM
Shit considering the time-placement SBS is in, what happened to Lucy is sadly not surprising.
Its hilarious how blasphemous corpse of Jesus is
I mean, I find it hilarious because I'm not sure if people who use that plot point in any work realize it how much body of Jesus existing would be considered to be heresy :D
Well, just your typical case of Anime Catholicism going on here.
(Or would it be "Anime Mormonism" this time?)
Edited by KusaMigeru on Mar 15th 2019 at 9:11:40 AM
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