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Snailfish Silver Shamrock's Halloween three from Santa Mira, California Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
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#15251: Oct 9th 2022 at 8:53:07 PM

I kinda love how they dealt with the Lich. How do you redeem an irredeemable creature literally made of nuclear death to destroy everything? Turn him into an innocent baby and raise him to be better. Kind of like Fullmetal Alchemist's Selim/Pride or Majinn Buu.

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#15252: Oct 11th 2022 at 6:45:35 PM

And the most ironic part is that the opening for Come Along With Me implies Sweet P became a legendary hero of Ooo himself like Billy and Finn before him, which, since the Lich seems to be functionally immortal, means that the Lich indirectly made sure that there'll always be good to fight for life, even if he'll always be part of Sweet P.

Edited by good-morning on Oct 11th 2022 at 10:46:10 AM

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#15253: Oct 11th 2022 at 10:39:10 PM

It's especially karmic since in both personality and function Sweet P is the antithesis of the Lich. Being an effective reincarnation it does support the idea that the Lich chose to be what he is instead of having no agency; I don't think something Made of Evil could have the switch turned to good with a Heel–Face Reincarnation.

wild mass guessThe Lich himself made an interesting statement when Finn accuses him of being a Flat Character, being "yes, while the mortal world doubts and questions, I know exactly what I am"...implying to me some of why he is an Omnicidal Maniac is because it gives him purpose. It would also explain why he likes to compare himself to some cosmic force like "the end" or "the ceaseless wheel"...it's akin to an A God Am I statement

Snailfish Silver Shamrock's Halloween three from Santa Mira, California Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
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#15254: Oct 15th 2022 at 9:05:53 AM

Might be "Draco in Leather Pants"ing here but I can't help but wonder if the main universe Lich turned around his horrid ways after becoming Sweet P and actually being loved for the first time in his century year old existence. Most of the time, the Lich who appears from that point on is an alternate timeline version created from Farm World Jake. The only time I recall seeing the original timeline Lich is emerging to give that awesome speech about Golb to the two jerks picking on Sweet P.

Given that's the only time we see him emerge, he's either buried very deep down, or maybe he somehow grew to like being a giant child adopted by an elephant and a pig.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#15255: Dec 6th 2022 at 4:18:09 PM

And to think that the whole show might had gone for a completely different direction if it weren't for the episode with the mutant businessmen stuck in ice

Sorry was on an Adventure Time binge and came back here, haven't gotten back up to the businessmen episode yet. I know that episode had businessmen frozen in ice who were allied with Finn and Jake briefly and took it too far, but how might the show have gone in a completely different direction if it weren't for that episode?

It has now been 4 years sense the finale

I'm rewatching City of Thieves A) because it was one of my favorite episodes, and B) because I'm using it as the basis for an imaginary fight between Finn and Seryu from Akame Ga Kill, and the plot of that episode provided a good setup.

As I was browsing I saw "Together Again" and couldn't help but smile. I might have disagreed with some of the filler episodes where they outsourced the animation, but Adventure Time really was something special, broaching things a lot of cartoons I remember fondly in my youth wouldn't even touch, and providing a form of storytelling I rarely see (the episode about the Snow Golem and the Fire Pup, an entire episode about Ice King and some seemingly unrelated cast, the whole Lemonhope and Lemongrab story arc, Finn and Jake spending an episode on a cloud, Finn's dad issues, Flame Princess and Finn breaking up, Marceline and Simon, Marceline and PB, etc).

It rates up there with Ed Edd n Eddy Big Picture Show, the Him episode of Powerpuff Girls, the Simpsons Movie, and Samurai Jack's finale with some of my favorite Western Animation ever.

To think when the show first premiered I thought it was the Dork Age of Cartoon Network.

Edited by FOFD on Dec 6th 2022 at 7:23:15 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#15256: Dec 6th 2022 at 4:30:15 PM

The Business Men episode was around the time frame/deciding factor of the Staff making Adventure Time's world Post-Apocalyptic.

It probably would've still happened, but you can tell that the series didn't have that mood set in stone entirely for its first season.

Edited by randomness4 on Dec 6th 2022 at 7:31:06 AM

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#15257: Dec 17th 2022 at 11:50:01 AM

[up]yep! I think I saw some cast member mentioning that the series was mostly just set in a fantasy land, but that the premise of the episode about the mutated businessmen gave them the spark of setting the universe in a post-nuclear apocalyptic world during production, which gained more narrative focus from the third season and beyond.

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Bornstellar Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#15258: Feb 5th 2023 at 4:19:37 PM

Any decent analysis or reviews or look backs (from off this site) on the series after all these years. I'm wondering how people are thinking back on this and other shows since the years they've finished.

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#15259: Feb 5th 2023 at 4:44:44 PM

[up] The first one that comes to my mind is https://adventuretimereviewed.wordpress.com/, an informal blog shortly reviewing every single episode from the first one to the Distant Lands mini-series. It's not the most minuncious critical review, but I think it is a fun way to look back at some of the episodes.

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SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#15260: Mar 9th 2023 at 7:29:05 PM

So, any theories on when Ice King officially lost his sanity and memories of his life as Simon when fully transformed as Ice King? How did he even end up switching from his suit to the blue robes he has at the start of the show?

RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#15261: Mar 9th 2023 at 7:59:33 PM

I thought that Stakes established that the complete loss of his identity happened sometime during Marceline's teenage years, given how the order she took down the vampires during the miniseries is the same as how she did so the first time (meaning she fought the Empress before fully turning). But double-checking, Simon is implied to have still been lucid during that encounter when the characters discuss it, so who knows? I assume it was shortly afterward, though.

As for the clothes, maybe he just thought suits were lame once his memories vanished.

Edited by RacattackForce on Mar 9th 2023 at 11:00:12 AM

Bornstellar Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#15262: Mar 10th 2023 at 10:07:20 PM

The Empress comments that the Ice King had something of a silver-fox thing going on when he met her. So I guess we can say that Simon still kept suits for a while. It would be interesting to se more stages between Simon and the Ice King, now that I think about. Like, how could Simon have looked like during Shoko or Uncle Gumbald's respective time periods?

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#15263: Mar 14th 2023 at 1:03:25 PM

Wonder if there is even any fanfic showing what happened with Simon between him leaving Marcy and him meeting Finn? Like, how did his appearance change overtime (with him becoming bald and switching his suit for a robe), when did he officially forget his life as Simon, when did he create the Ice Kingdom, when did he meet Gunther, when did he start kidnapping princesses, and when did he meet Princess Bubblegum?

Got another interesting question, do you all think Princess Bubblegum and Marceline are still alive in the 1000 year timeskip in the series finale? Given Princess Bubblegum still looks the same physical age in Finn and Jake's time as she did thousands of years ago when the Candy Kingdom was being built and Marceline being confirmed as immortal, it makes me wonder, what happened to them in the timeskip? Like, why did Bubblegum resort to the Prize Ball Guardian if she was still alive by then and where do she and Marceline live?

Edited by SpongeGuy11 on Mar 14th 2023 at 4:03:39 AM

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#15264: Mar 14th 2023 at 1:50:26 PM

> do you all think Princess Bubblegum and Marceline are still alive in the 1000 year timeskip in the series finale?

they're both immortal so yes

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#15265: Mar 14th 2023 at 6:19:22 PM

They can still be killed though. But assuming something didn't kill them they would still be around. A lot is left up to the imagination as to how the main power player went from the Candy Kingdom to the Jake/Rainicorn bloodline

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#15266: Mar 18th 2023 at 11:18:58 AM

So, anyone wonder how Finn would react if he found out the real reason Martin abandoned him as a baby? Considering Islands shows Martin did care for Finn before the incident with the Guardian caused brain damage, it does make one wonder how Finn would react to finding out Martin did care for him at some point.

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#15267: Mar 20th 2023 at 3:38:10 PM

Looking at that Unofficial History Land of Ooo book that covers the history of the show's production, some things sorta pointed out how Cartoon Network didn't handled the show the best as it went on.

It is said the first sign of mistreatment was moving Adventure Time from Monday nights early into season 6 to Thursday nights and later airing episodes out in a bomb format which disrupted the flow and pacing (also leading to fan alienation).

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It's also said that the promotion for how Cartoon Network did season 6 wasn't helping, still promoting the goofier elements inspite of the show taking on a darker and serious tone by then.

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The weird division of how seasons 7-9 somehow got split into seasons 7-10 with 7B getting put into season 8 with the episodes up to the Island miniseries, season 8B getting put into season 9, and the intended season 9 being branded as a season 10.

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The poor adversiting for Islands is discussed also.

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It's also confirmed they were banking on Cartoon Network giving them at least one more 26 episode season, but also figured the show was gonna end soon with how smaller the season 9 (season 10 in broadcast) order was than before at 16 episodes (or 8 half hours). Course it still meant they were in a rush to finish the show within that season 10 timespan they had.

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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#15268: Mar 21st 2023 at 1:41:34 PM

[up] Re: The move to Thursdays. Werent all of the main CN shows putting their premieres in a Thursday block at that time? Not just AT, but Regular Show, Gumball, Steven Universe, Teen Titans Go, Clarence, We Bare Bears, Powerpuff Girls (2016) they even put Wabbit there for a short time.

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#15269: Mar 21st 2023 at 1:47:22 PM

[up]True, but aside from Regular Show and Steven Universe, none of them were serialized or plot driven enough for it to matter much. Plus the book does mention there were other weird hiatuses and time shifts during season 6 also (like Ghost Fly being the only episode to air between August and November 2014 and the bomb format being used for the remainder of the season) that alienated viewers and may have caused ratings to fall a bit.

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#15270: Mar 23rd 2023 at 3:07:08 PM

Also, does Adventure Time fall under as Two Shorts like the other pre-2010 Cartoon Network shows or Quarter Hour Short? Sure most episodes were premiered as individual 11 minute episodes, but the same applied to Flapjack in seasons 2-3 and Chowder in seasons 2-3, yet they're still treated as Two Shorts.

This press release from 2010 does treat it season 1 with the Two Shorts format of the pre-2010 CN shows. Heck, the credits for the first six seasons (except for Water Park Prank) always show credits for two sister segments, further indicating the show was produced in a Two Shorts format (At least in seasons 1-6).

Any take on this?

Edited by SpongeGuy11 on Mar 23rd 2023 at 6:15:35 AM

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#15271: Apr 20th 2023 at 5:01:00 PM

What is the two cents on the Princess Bubblegum hate for you all?

Considering how her more amoral actions in seasons 5-6 turned the fanbase against her (with some not seeing her improvements in seasons 7-10 and Distant Lands as enough), this makes me wonder if this has changed with the show being ended for 5 years now.

This video even went as far as to claim she was worse morally than the frikin Lich (not making that up).

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#15272: Apr 20th 2023 at 5:40:38 PM

Its overblown frankly,yes she does questionable things but she's not secretly evil

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good-morning Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles from Brazil Since: Nov, 2021
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#15273: Apr 20th 2023 at 9:14:49 PM

Yes, I just wish we had more episodes like The Cooler, in which the negative consequences of her actions are shown and she has character development, that might have been my favorite episode of Season 6 (after Jake the Brick).

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#15274: Apr 20th 2023 at 11:12:23 PM

On that video I don't think he gets that no, the Lich doesn't lack agency. He was so good impersonating Billy the only reason he didn't have an easy W is because the Gumball Guardians detected him, and even then uses a good reverse psychology strategy. It's debatable if he even was paralyzed in the Time Room or if it was metaphorical and he just thought behaving like normal was tactically unwise

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#15275: Apr 21st 2023 at 4:55:36 AM

his agency to destroy life,that's it that's his purpose

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