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Archereon Ave Imperator from Everywhere. Since: Oct, 2010
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#24626: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:26:23 AM

[up] Mass Effect never was an RPG (except maybe ME 1, which was a BAD RPG in terms of the combat mechanics, and a pretty good one as far as the story went) any more than Bio Shock was ever an RPG and any more than Bio Ware 's marketing department decided calling their TPS with RPG elements would be good for marketing, but okay.

Anyway, does it really matter if its an RPG or not? Genres are so limiting anyway. I liked being given the choice to make Shepard say 1 of three things for about 2/3 conversations, and that's what matters to me.

Plus compare the ME 1 Shepard speech upon taking command of the Normandy to the ME 2 and ME 3 speeches.

ME 1: You get a bunch of pauses to choose different options for different parts of the speech.

ME 2: At most you get to choose how each half of the speech goes.

ME 3: At most you get to choose whether Shepard sounds angry or HARDCORE ANGRY.

edited 22nd Feb '12 7:31:26 AM by Archereon

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#24627: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:26:56 AM

I've got a bad feeling that biotics are going to go back ot outclassing everything else like in Mass Effect 1.

...
fakeangelbr The Awesomest Character from Fortaleza, Brazil Since: Jan, 2010
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#24628: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:32:00 AM

[up][up]I will try to be as polite as possible about this but...

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#24629: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:34:08 AM

Even with the leaks, I'm not certain that we know what Shepard big "I have control of the Normandy speech" is, or even if he had one, because he didn't have one in ME2.

Am I the only one who is under the impression that this conversation is not going to end well?

fakeangelbr The Awesomest Character from Fortaleza, Brazil Since: Jan, 2010
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#24630: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:35:56 AM

It isn't, specially since the "Passing the Normandy" speech makes no sense unless you go full-Paragon or full-Renegade.

edited 22nd Feb '12 7:36:04 AM by fakeangelbr

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#24631: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:36:42 AM

It will not end well...Arch was against the whole series which means that any argument will boil down to arguing if the series as a whole even is an RPG or not or something...

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#24632: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:39:25 AM

It is, NEXT TOPIC

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#24633: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:40:18 AM

Where the heck I can get someone to recruit in facebook and complete the demo for me? =/

Archereon Ave Imperator from Everywhere. Since: Oct, 2010
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#24634: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:41:30 AM

I will try to be as polite as possible about this.

But...

Opinion is opinion. I liked being able to have a small measure of control over what my character said. If Bio Ware had never held any pretenses about Mass Effect being an RPG (not that it really matters what they call it, since genre is only really relevant for marketing purposes.), I would've been fine with what's going on, though I must say I wouldn't have gotten into the game since TPS games generally aren't my cup of tea. I'll judge ME 3 on its own merits While I didn't like the inventory system, I'd have preferred it to be improved rather than removed (like in ME 3) in ME 2. Same for the vehicles.

Note that I was talking about the Suicide mission speeches in ME 2 as compared to Shepard's only long speech in ME 1 and the speeches we've seen in the demo in ME 3.

And until I decide to stop or an admin tells me to, I reserve my right to free speech. Not that I feel like debating this topic anymore. It feels like I'm on /v/ only with less swear words and more (less?) ponies.

So moving on, anyone know how many weapons there are in ME 3?

edited 22nd Feb '12 7:43:23 AM by Archereon

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#24635: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:42:47 AM

And those two speechs are uncoparable in their own rights.

Also dozen and dozen of weapons.

edited 22nd Feb '12 7:44:14 AM by fakeangelbr

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Archereon Ave Imperator from Everywhere. Since: Oct, 2010
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#24636: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:44:44 AM

Are they?

The taking the Normandy speech was the only time Shepard had a long monologue in the original game as far as I know. While there were other Shepard monologues in ME 2, the Suicide mission ones were the longest.

Good news about the weapons.

YMMV on it not making sense without full renegade/paragon. A mix of paragon/renegade and neutral sounded fine. Then again, Mass Effect punishes you storywise for not going all the way, so I suppose you really can't expect someone to do anything else.

Onyhow: I liked ME 1. It was a decent if not good game. ME 2 was kinda bad IMHO, but certainly serviceable, and it had better gameplay than ME 1 (didn't care for the story personally).

edited 22nd Feb '12 7:49:26 AM by Archereon

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#24637: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:46:22 AM

Nobody is interested in my problem tongue

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#24638: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:48:05 AM

@Archereon: not that I'm against you forming your opinion, but it's just that the argument will get bogged down, and for a long time...and I think it will get really ugly...

If you want to debate the nature of RPG games it might be better to just start a new thread...

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#24639: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:48:25 AM

Simply put, the mood and timing break the comparison.

In one case, it's a calm moment with people unsure to what they will see in the investigation.

In the other, the air is tense, with doom and gloom over their heads, knowing there is no way to going back.

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edited 22nd Feb '12 7:49:58 AM by fakeangelbr

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Archereon Ave Imperator from Everywhere. Since: Oct, 2010
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#24640: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:50:29 AM

[up][up] Did I not just say that genre classification is (IMHO) just a marketing tool?

I don't care whether Bio Ware calls Mass Effect an RPG or a Hack and Slash. If I like the game I like the game, and if a feature I like gets removed, then I don't like that change.

edited 22nd Feb '12 7:51:40 AM by Archereon

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Archereon Ave Imperator from Everywhere. Since: Oct, 2010
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#24642: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:54:37 AM

[up] If I had the ME 3 demo I'd play MP with you if its not LAN (lol like that exists) or local play only.

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#24643: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:54:37 AM

What? You're saying just because DAII did that with the demo and you're assuming that ME 3 will be the same? And remember that that's what your initial argument is about...

Also woot beat a silver game!

edited 22nd Feb '12 8:00:51 AM by onyhow

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Archereon Ave Imperator from Everywhere. Since: Oct, 2010
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#24644: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:55:48 AM

What? That had no relation to what I just said, not in the slightest.

I said that I don't care what genre something is classified in so long as I enjoy it, nor do I think people should deliberately classify their work into genres. It's so limiting.

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#24645: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:57:04 AM

[up]...Do you have any idea where we are?

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Archereon Ave Imperator from Everywhere. Since: Oct, 2010
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#24646: Feb 22nd 2012 at 7:58:06 AM

[up] Yes.

I just said that WRITERS shouldn't classify things into genres and tropes, since its greatly limiting for them. Not readers, they can do what they want, though I generally prefer to look at works of fiction in a more organic light. [lol]

edited 22nd Feb '12 7:59:21 AM by Archereon

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#24647: Feb 22nd 2012 at 8:02:58 AM

Here's where your thing started Arch...

Basically you're drifting...and I'm not sure what to respond to...

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#24648: Feb 22nd 2012 at 8:03:36 AM

[up][up]That makes no sense whatsoever.

edited 22nd Feb '12 8:04:43 AM by fakeangelbr

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Archereon Ave Imperator from Everywhere. Since: Oct, 2010
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#24649: Feb 22nd 2012 at 8:04:09 AM

I know that. I moved past that a long time ago when people actually confirmed that non-demo gameplay sections had more dialogue (though still not as much as I'd have preferred. Then again, I'm perfectly happy with a 10 minute long section of a game with very little besides talking, so I guess I'm weird.)

[up] Didn't you say you were trying to be polite? How mature of you, I must say.

What next "No, You"? Oh I must retire from the Internet in the face of your mighty wit.

No really. Goodbye, and good day sir.

edited 22nd Feb '12 8:07:02 AM by Archereon

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#24650: Feb 22nd 2012 at 8:07:49 AM

Think for a moment.

You do not write a Cosmic Horror Story with a Sugar Bowl setting.

You do not write a romance with flat characters.

The genre are not to restrain but to give tools for the writer.

The "genres just limits writers" argument just don't work.

edited 22nd Feb '12 8:11:57 AM by fakeangelbr

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