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Blissey1 insert title here from a random Pokècenter Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
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#25126: Feb 28th 2012 at 8:30:26 AM

What's so groan-worthy about this day 1 DLC anyway?

the whole point of DLC is to release stuff that they weren't able to get into the main game by release date due to time/money constraints. A day 1 DLC means they could have had it in the main game, but chose to keep it separate for a sole purpose of milking an extra 10 bucks out of the customer.

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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#25127: Feb 28th 2012 at 8:39:19 AM

really, what's not groan worthy of day 1 DLC?

It's essentially selling two versions of the game: a full game and an abridged game, except the abridged version is full priced and the full game is more expensive.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#25128: Feb 28th 2012 at 8:50:18 AM

Theres the fact that if it would be included in game, team that made the DLC wouldn't get paid as much for it tongue

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#25129: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:00:21 AM

the team that made the DLC is the team that made the rest of the game.

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TheProffesor The Professor from USA Since: Jan, 2011
#25130: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:02:01 AM

On my new playthrough, I think I'm going to let the crew die so I can hangout with Legion.

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#25131: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:02:26 AM

Was there this many complaints about Warden's Keep? I suspect that if it weren't for that online personality, this wouldn't be controversial at all.

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#25132: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:06:34 AM

what online personality?

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#25133: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:18:42 AM

Honestly, people are complaining so loudly since they think they are "justified" after DA 2.

Though, they did complain when ME 2 was new too tongue

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#25134: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:20:50 AM

[up][up]The Cynical Brit. He posted a video calling for a boycott of ME3 because of the Day 1 DLC and people were going around everywhere posting the video because they can't find their own reasons for disliking Day 1 DLC.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#25135: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:23:31 AM

well i assume there are only so many reasons for anything

so eventually theres going to be some overlap. -shrug-

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#25136: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:33:46 AM

I mean, there should be outrage over this stuff because it's a ridiculous business practice. Look, I get the idea behind free day 1 stuff that comes with online activation; large scale piracy and resale directly hurts the creators because it brings expected value of a product down without even giving them a cut.

But selling day 1 stuff even though it was originally part of the game? That's just preposterous.

Granted, I did buy the collector's edition, but that's because I was paying my expected value for full game + feelies.

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Five_X Maelstrom Since: Feb, 2010
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#25137: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:38:15 AM

It's ten bucks. Go do some menial chore or get a small job or something and ten buck won't look like much at all. Because it isn't.

Shortly after ME 3 is out it should be ripe time to mow lawns or do yard work. Offer to do that for someone for payment, or something. Easy ten bucks.

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TylerL320 Since: Jul, 2011
#25138: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:39:43 AM

My laptop can run both games alright. Mass Effect 1 runs fine, just a bit laggy during cutscenes at times. It's on 800x600 resolution on Ultra-High textures too. Mass Effect 2 probably runs BETTER. ME 3 is a bit laggy, but it's bearable.

edited 28th Feb '12 9:39:57 AM by TylerL320

lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#25139: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:41:12 AM

How Day 1 DLC Works:

Late in development, you have finished most of the work in the game and so you put it into a process called certification, which determines whether the game is in a state to be sold.

Certification requires less manpower than the rest of the development process, so some writers and programmers are left with nothing to do.

Instead of lounging around, they take an idea which was cut for lack of time and make it into a DLC.

DLC also has a certification process, but since there is less content, the process doesn't take as much time.

CP/FMfan from California, USA Since: Apr, 2010
#25140: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:41:34 AM

I actually admire what they're doing. They know the game's going to sell millions no matter what anyone says. They can milk whatever money they want, knowing that it will have no consequence and 99 % of the fanbase will stay loyal. That's smart business.

Five_X Maelstrom Since: Feb, 2010
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#25141: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:44:29 AM

Actually, if ME 3 turns out shitty, sales will be horrible. Just look at what happened to DA 2: super hyped and people were really looking forward to it... and after ten weeks, it sold half as many copies (one million) as DA:O because it sucked and got bad publicity afterwards.

Also, what Irrose says is true. Just something that the fanbase and such don't want to see as true.

edited 28th Feb '12 9:45:13 AM by Five_X

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lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#25142: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:45:33 AM

DA2 was actually a financial success. Less time and money spent = less copies sold needed to make a good profit.

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#25143: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:47:25 AM

I make silicon valley software developer money. $10 is nothing; it's just the principal of the matter.

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Five_X Maelstrom Since: Feb, 2010
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#25144: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:48:11 AM

^^

But that's not really the same with ME 3; the development has been long enough that Bioware and EA can't make much money off of it in comparison to DA 2.

Half as many sales in ten weeks is a big hit, no matter how you look at it.

edited 28th Feb '12 9:48:33 AM by Five_X

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lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#25145: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:51:56 AM

Except that part of the reason why DA2 didn't sell spectacularly is because it had the stigma of people deciding that it was going to suck before it was released.

There is a lot of hype for ME3.

Five_X Maelstrom Since: Feb, 2010
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#25146: Feb 28th 2012 at 9:58:20 AM

And there's a lot of people saying ME 3 will suck, too! :P

After all, the "Preoder Cancelled" meme, as non-serious as its origins were, has some honesty to it.

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TheProffesor The Professor from USA Since: Jan, 2011
#25147: Feb 28th 2012 at 10:00:34 AM

Every major release I've ever seen has this. One side says the game will be great, the other side disagrees.

Such is the nature of the internet.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#25148: Feb 28th 2012 at 10:06:15 AM

Really, people whine too much.

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#25149: Feb 28th 2012 at 10:06:36 AM

I'm going to enjoy the fuck out of ME 3 just to spite the haters, even if I don't really like the game.

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Tyyrlym Jerk from Normandy SR-2 Since: Mar, 2011
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#25150: Feb 28th 2012 at 10:13:58 AM

Here's the thing though, the entire team on the game doesn't work on it from start to release. A lot of people like artists, animators, coders, get their part of the main game done and then are no longer needed. Instead of sending them off they turn them on to a DLC project. Given that the DLC is a MUCH smaller package than the main game the DLC group can finish it and have it go gold even quicker than the main game. So by Day 1 there is already DLC ready to go. It's no different than any other DLC it just happened to get finished sooner and therefore is available on Day 1 in stead of in two months.

It's not that they took a part of the game, carved it out, and are charging you $10 for something you were going to get as part of the original scope. You're getting the original scope game for your $50 (or is it $60). The first DLC is just out very quickly and it's $10. People are just bitching because they're not giving out the first DLC for free.

Then again maybe I'm just an idiot.

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