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Tangent128 from Virginia Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Nov 10th 2010 at 4:08:57 PM

Any Pokémon can hold an item, so many of them must be more dexterous than they look. tongue

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InsanityPrelude Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Nov 10th 2010 at 4:20:58 PM

Good point.

Why would it use its coin when it has claws, anyway?

Chronix Better than a cross.
Better than a cross.
Nov 10th 2010 at 6:54:52 PM

Distraction?

Closet DCLAU fan.
DeLoye Needs to lurk moar from Canada
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Nov 11th 2010 at 3:54:33 AM

^^^^^Hm, what about Heracross?

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SalFishFin Ace with a Podao from A respectful distance away Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Ace with a Podao
Nov 11th 2010 at 9:08:49 AM

Alright, I tweaked the article a little. Anybody suspending disbelief yet?

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Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines.
Your army sucks.
Nov 11th 2010 at 9:39:01 AM

There's that inconsistency between using "stomach acid" as the thing used to fuel their fires and the "napalm" which is implied to be a separate substance. Not to mention the fact that Acids are generally NOT flammable, it strikes me as a bad idea to use an important digestive chemical as fuel flames.

I think its more plausible to say that Houndour have a separate internal pyro-sac like most other Fire Pokemon. And immature (and spayed) Houndour produce small amounts of aerosolized napalm that can be ignited as a conventional "gas flame". While Houndoom spray a streams of burning liquid.

Also the reason why Houndoom's fire is more dangerous is not because it burns hotter, necessarily, but rather the "napalm" has a tendency to cause severe nerve damage. Leaving painful, long-lasting, wounds in its wake.

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Nov 11th 2010 at 10:34:45 AM

part of me likes the acid on fire bit due to Rule of Cool, while the other part of me isn't quite able to suspend my disbelief.

if you ask me, make the napalm like substance something else, but also make it so they do mix a bit of stomach acid into it when it comes up.

edited 11th Nov '10 10:35:32 AM by Blissey1

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Chronix Better than a cross.
Better than a cross.
Nov 11th 2010 at 2:54:23 PM

What canon sources are you basing this on? I know the "flames that hurt forever" bit was from the dex, but what else?

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Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines.
Your army sucks.
Nov 11th 2010 at 3:45:37 PM

[up] I just thought nerve-damaging toxins would be a plausible answer to the whole "eternal burn" thing. It's backed up by the fact that Houndour learns Smog naturally, and learn Sludge Bomb via TM.

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AceOfScarabs I am now a shiny stone~ from Singapore Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Nov 11th 2010 at 9:43:36 PM

I used the idea of flammable chemicals that cause lasting nerve damage for my own LP.

Granted, with modern medical technology and improved Burn Heals and much-refined Rawst Berry poultice concoctions, Houndour burns are more readily treatable than a few years back, but they still leave a lasting impression on those unprepared rookies who get their trusty Partners set alight by a Houndour for the first time in their lives.

One idea I had for either a player character or an awesome NPC would be this hardboiled trainer with a badass burn scar across his face from a Houndoom fireburst.

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Marioguy128 Geomancer from various galaxies
Geomancer
Nov 11th 2010 at 10:27:00 PM

Do keep in mind that the flames from a Houndoom can easily kill someone. There's a hazard to keep in mind for someone who's doing that entry. Houndoom do have toxins in their flames.

[up]That person would be busy screaming though from the burn marks.

edited 11th Nov '10 10:29:25 PM by Marioguy128

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AceOfScarabs I am now a shiny stone~ from Singapore Relationship Status: Drift compatible
I am now a shiny stone~
Nov 11th 2010 at 10:44:56 PM

Not if he was hardcore enough, or the nerves are so damaged that he doesn't feel anything any more.

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Chronix Better than a cross.
Better than a cross.
Nov 12th 2010 at 7:09:54 AM

Hmm, nice loophole.

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SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
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Nov 12th 2010 at 9:01:30 AM

@Ace: and this is where I ask have you written this fic yet? I want to read it.

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DeLoye Needs to lurk moar from Canada
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Nov 12th 2010 at 12:30:23 PM

okay, I suppose I'll start on Heracross, if there're no objections.

herp derp
Nov 15th 2010 at 8:18:33 AM

Hey, I've been lurking arround, and seen some suggestions about making binomial names for the different species and such. As a student of biology and amateur zoologist, I'd be happy to do such thing (although most grass Pokemon would have to wait, I am no botanist, and most grass types are just plain odd anyway). I'd even wipe out a taxonomical analysis, linking each species to each other and to real taxa (although that may be subjective and conflictive; would we classify Remoraid as a fish or a cephalopod, for example.)

Would like to see opinions before starting.

Tangent128 from Virginia Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Nov 15th 2010 at 10:20:57 AM

Could be helpful.

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Nov 15th 2010 at 5:16:11 PM

Okay then, so far, Oddish being Oddium wanderus (FR Pokedex) and Kabutops being, well, Kabutops maximus (some anime episode) are official binomial names (and it was bad luck for heartlessmushrooms to start adding those names to the SOLE line that gets one in the games). Also, seeing that evolution is pretty much growing up, the different stages of the same line would have the exact same name, not a different specific one, so Gloom/Vileplume/Bellossom are O.wanderus, and Kabuto is K.maximus.

Anyway, for other names, taking for instance fossil Pokemon, we could call Aerodactyl Aerodactylus imperator; its common name is an obvious transliteration of its generic name, and, for the specific name, well, Tupandactylus has the same one, and it sounds badass.

Shieldon/Bastiodon could be Scutops ("shield-face) horridus (Triceratops also has this. And Bastiodon is not a pretty-face per-se).

Cranidos/Rampardos would go straight to Pachycephalosaurus, if it wasn't for the spikes growing instead of shrinking with age. I'm inclined to go with Acantholus ("spiky dome") shinnohensis (the real Pachy is P.wyomingensis).

Archen/Archeos could go to Archaeoraptor fragilis; the line pretty much mixes Archaeopteryx with Dromaeosaurs (Not So Different to begin with), so the name fits, and it also references the forged chimera that made the headlines. Fragilis because it is a Glass Cannon.

Also, I'd be interested in knowing how different species would be classified: Would dragons be an unique group, or just different reptiles: Dratini is a sea snake, Bagon is a monitor, Larvitar is an iguana and Charmander is a lizard. If the first option, what would that group be? Would Gible be a terrestrial shark, or a shark-like reptile? Is Psyduck a duck or a platypus? Is Remoraid a very fish-like larva of a cephalopod, or just a fish that looks like an octopus when grown?

Anyway, I hope to get a better presentation in my next post, if it is seen fit to keep doing a clasification.

Last thing: Would using already existing genus be an option? I wouldn't call Ursaring anything but Ursus, but it may seem odd to other people...

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Nov 15th 2010 at 5:39:50 PM

Also, seeing that evolution is pretty much growing up, the different stages of the same line would have the exact same name, not a different specific one, so Gloom/Vileplume/Bellossom are O.wanderus, and Kabuto is K.maximus.
Wouldn't work as well, because the differences between members of the same evolutive branch are too strong to name them the same when scientific study is a purpose. The main problem is, as Chronix (I believe) mentioned some tens of pages ago, that you are assuming that taxonomy studies advanced the same way in their world as ours; however, the key difference that when a Pokémon evolves its structure can vary completely (Bronzor, Clamperl, to mention some examples) means that while in our world we classify down to the species as the item of "least significant difference", in their world each evolutive stage is the item of "least significant difference" as well. That's why, I'd guess, we went with "branchux stageis" naming schema instead. So I'd stay with that scheme for binomial names; it just doesn't strike me that their scientists would rationally choose a schema like ours.

Also, I'd be interested in knowing how different species would be classified: Would dragons be an unique group, or just different reptiles: Dratini is a sea snake, Bagon is a monitor, Larvitar is an iguana and Charmander is a lizard.
Not sure what to answer here, but if it serves some, I'd say try not to think of say, Garchomp as a gliding shark or a sharklike reptile. I'd think of it as a Sharpedo-like Gligar or a bipedal Sharpedo. Or something like that. And come with the definition of a species from that. Then again, I'm not exactly sure how much do our animals exists in the Pokéverse, nor whether they are the same as we call them ours (ie.. is our cat their cat? Their cat would have to be pretty evolved with respect to ours if it has to compete in an environment with flamethrowering Persians).

I'm digressing again... better not listen to me but wait for someone more knowledgeable in the matter.

However, for a last pointer...

Last thing: Would using already existing genus be an option? I wouldn't call Ursaring anything but Ursus, but it may seem odd to other people...
I don't see why anyone would have problem like that. Actually, from a human-perspective hollistic vision, it would be expected that whatever the root "ursus" comes from, if we picked it for bears, others would pick it up for bear-like creatures (even if they don't know what a bear is) in their worlds as well.

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Anomalocaris20 Salty AF from Sagittarius A* Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
Salty AF
Nov 15th 2010 at 6:28:15 PM

I should get back to work on the berries, but I'm so busy lately...

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InsanityPrelude Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Nov 15th 2010 at 6:37:53 PM

[up][up] We're already using an existing genus in at least one article. Whoever wrote Absol's put it in Panthera.

[up] Other forumers can help? There's a lot of berries to cover.

edit: Also, I'd call Glameow and Choroneko pretty closely related... mostly on the basis of looks, admittedly. Anyone agree?

edited 15th Nov '10 6:38:45 PM by InsanityPrelude

Anomalocaris20 Salty AF from Sagittarius A* Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
Salty AF
Nov 15th 2010 at 6:46:39 PM

Well... I try to base the berries off of their namesakes, and happen to know quite a bit about fruit in general, including the more obscure ones that some of the berries are based on (Jaboticaba, anyone?). If any of the forumgoers happen to be skilled when it comes to fruit (Knowledge on both individual fruit and the usual nuances associated with certain traits such as seed size and taste.) then sure. Maybe I could consult when I have the time, too.

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Nov 15th 2010 at 6:49:12 PM

[up][up] That was me. I chose panthera because, let's face it, Absol is a big cat. An odd-looking big cat with a sickle blade protruding from its right temporal lobe and a tail like the blade of a scythe, but a feline nonetheless.

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InsanityPrelude Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Nov 15th 2010 at 6:57:21 PM

I wasn't arguing.

SullenFrog Wait, he isn't dead! Shia Surprise! from Voormithadreth Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
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Nov 15th 2010 at 6:58:50 PM

I know, neither was I; I was simply clarifying in case it wasn't clear.

Difficulty conveying tone on the Internet, and all that.

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