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Didn't we already have a Deoxys article? I think how we handle each one should depend on the specific legendary.
Yeah, there's a Deoxys article. It probably doesn't need special treatment; it's "legendary" for its rarity/obscurity, but is otherwise just an ordinary alien.
Silent Reverence: So, how do you respond to Aqua Bunny's take on Nidoqueen fertility?
Perhaps we should do an article on the Pokemon Nation? I suggest a Japan-expy with the Regions as Federated States/Territories.
^ Eh, if you're really going for a Japan expy, then the Poke-nation would have a unitary rather than a federal government. I'd just leave it be, since we Tropers have been all over the board as to how the different regions are related.
Tangent128: Happily. I know that "realistically" there would not be a reason for Nidoqueen not to be able to breed. And it would make me even more happy(ly) if that was the canon since the beginning (ie.: that weird bug never happened). On the other hand, at least the Nidoqueen stage has some support on the idea that they couldn't be able to breed what with all the physiological changes, and it adds some layer of mysticism and a sort of Character Development. It also makes it an interesting detail to be researched in a world of strange creatures who won't miss some Hot Skitty-on-Wailord Action if their Trainer gives them the chance. That's the reason why I stuck with it for the entry, although I may have to later change the mating rate and litter size for Nidorina according to a specific detail I read in the article. And even more, can't breed≠can't have fun. At least in my view. Then again it's Nidoqueen and Nidoking we're talking about. Hmm... All of this makes good material for fanfic...
Oh, look at that digressing again...
On to another matters, a "Nay" to a PokÚmon Nation article, at least for now. Between the lots of different beliefs out here (like "games == Japan in which case what about the rest of the world?), there's Gen V games to still come out and probably change one particular detail or two. We can do for articles on interesting locations for the time being. As discussed above however, maybe we should be doing the article on the PokÚdex itself to clear some things out.
edited 18th Jul '10 11:21:40 AM by SilentReverence
Well, doesn't Gen V supposedly take place in America?
^ That hasn't been confirmed.
Or at least somewhere far away from the other four reigons.
The geography looks like it's based on Manhattan and the surrounding areas, and Yankee Eagle makes things a bit...obvious.
Key words are "based on" just like every other region, though, and obviously everything is several orders of magnitude sparser with random deserts and stuff. It'll probably be a rather Japanesey Eagleland, though I would be quite pleased if it was along the lines of how Shadow Hearts: From the New World handled it.
It's a shame, because I really wanted to see what was north of Kanto/Johto...
edited 19th Jul '10 2:38:11 PM by CrowT.Robot
So! PokÚdex. A few thoughts to start chewing on:
I think it would be cool if it had the ability to interface with a PokÚtch... sort of like a iPod/iTunes style connection to recieve information that might need to be accessed on a daily basis (such as the PokÚmon in the Trainer's party)
That sounds like a good idea to me, Tangent, and it probably would be available to most trainers via the Poketch/navi/gear/whatever, albeit in a limited form. I.e., trainers who use the Pokedex app on their handheld gimmick get a brief rundown of what type the Pokemon is, what types it's weak against or resistant to, and what moves it might utilize in battle. A dedicated Pokedex, however, allows trainers to pretty much browse the database we've been putting together, at any time and with a much greater amount of detail/
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
So, key thing to keep in mind then: the PokÚdex database is not tied to the PokÚdex device.
Actual PokÚdexes are likely only in common use by researchers, being specially equipped for data collection. They probably don't have the Everything Sensor we see in the show/manga, though a GPS receiver, hi-res camera(s), microphone, environment sensors (temperature, humidity, etc.) and satellite uplink are all probable features.
edited 19th Jul '10 6:39:04 PM by Tangent128
Here's the way I imagined it:
The individual 'dex has in its own hard drive the basic descriptions, types, and necessary trainer warnings of pretty much every PokÚmon they're likely to run into in the region, as well as basic survival tips and a list of edible fruits found in the region. Supplementary data includes a list of known territories of species and their mating seasons, as well as anything else that the trainer should be aware of before traveling through.
Additional modifications such as a GPS are possible to obtain and install, though in practice are more often used in cheaper and more commonly-used devices such as the PokÚnav. More expensive "National" models carry data on foreign species as well, though these are only carried by professional researchers and the most well-traveled of trainers. The data can be pulled via manual search, voice recognition, or using the frontal sensor.
The sensor uses a variety of data mining algorithms to heuristically narrow down which species it's looking at — most notably spectral and thermal analysis, sound recognition, and a quick 3D rendering and armature approximation that is compared to the models in the database. The sensor is known to experience occasional issues identifying irregularly-colored specimens, though the other methods of identification are usually enough to produce the correct result anyway, and known coloring deviations are noted in the heuristic algorithm.
The database is supported by regional professors and scientists, and hosted at several servers around the world. The database contains considerably more detailed and exhaustive data than an individual 'dex regarding all known species and a variety of other topics, including recorded video footage of all species (some particularly elusive legendaries excepting). The database may be accessed by any PokÚdex with an internet connection, and only the most backwoods of PokÚmon Centers lack this. Additionally, it may be accessed by satellite (weather permitting) and any internet-capable personal computer. Indeed, most use of the database is by desktop users rather than PokÚdex owners.
The kind of depth we're discussing on this thread is about what I'd imagine the 'dex to hold on its hard drive (memory is cheap after all). The main database would basically have scholarly levels of detail, references to ongoing studies, video footage of wild specimens and League battles, and so on.
I'd imagine the 'dex to be something a bit too expensive for most beginning trainers to spring for, but those who stick to it longer than the first year or so will probably go ahead and get one. Those who have personal friends in the research field will probably get a freebie.
edited 19th Jul '10 7:41:32 PM by Pykrete
I imagine that the basic model is probably a common field utility.
Ingame, I always pictured the 'dex as a sort of dubiously-researched database cobbled together by trainers more interested in cockfighting, shorts and how awesome their creatures looked rather than, say, scientific accuracy. I mean, you could probably go out and buy an encyclopedia instead, but the Dex has the advantage of being somewhat cheaper, more portable, and having "DON'T PANIC" written in large friendly letters upon its case.
It is, after all, a wholly remarkable index. More popular than 53 More Things to Do in Hoenn, better selling than the Johto Home Care Omnibus, and more controversial than Professor Rowan's trilogy of philisophical blockbusters Where Arceus Went Wrong, Some More of Arceus's Greatest Mistakes, and Who is this Arceus Person Anyway?
edited 20th Jul '10 2:43:36 PM by CrowT.Robot
Don't forget Rowan's most recent suspense thriller:
edited 20th Jul '10 3:19:29 PM by Pykrete
Under that view we'd have to distinguish between the "Official PokÚdexÖę«" project and associated encyclopedia / devices, which probably have a slightly more convoluted and indirect trademark name, and the "commonplace/commonterm PokÚdex" which is the device everyone uses to justify that their Rattata is top% and Nidoking is _barely_ 1.4m tall. We're supposed to be doing the official one, I'd guess...
Also, "..." is supposed to be "...".
Actually, there's probably three layers come to think of it...
There's the PokÚdex project, which refers to the collective of researchers and resources distributed around the world. There are many databases collected under the PokÚdex banner, ranging from simple collections of PokÚmon nutrition guidelines to petabytes of raw video collected by field agents/drones.
Raw data like that isn't much use to the public or student, so overview articles are drawn up detailing the essentials of each species, as well as more in-depth articles for further study.
While the articles are constantly under revision as more data is analyzed and study results come in, official releases of the articles are prepared every several years, which are referred to as the National PokÚdex.
Regional authorities release editions containing only local data on a more frequent basis.
Then there are PokÚdex devices, which can be official data collection devices or third-party readers.
so the levels in terms of quality are like
peer review research journals (the official PokÚdex project, as tangent put it)
then Wikipedia (the overview for public use)
then pocket field guide (the PokÚdex)
More like the Britannica than Wikipedia; I doubt it'd be open to public editing beyond amateur science reports.
So we have
Pokedex the Progect: The organization that handles all this data.
Pokedex the Database: The online supository of the data itself.
Pokedex the Device: The handheld field readers which hook up to the above datatbase. Source Distribution and Consumption. Set.
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