The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Edition

Trained Pokemon grow faster.

"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake

That's probably because they're actively being... Well, trained.

Bleye knows Sabers.

My ideal is that Pokemon that have been bound to trainers are more likely to survive and learn from their mistakes, so they not only become tougher, but also smarter than their wild brethren.

This is exhibited in my LP, where Mari's Kenji is actually a Trainer ID wiped Farfetch'd who was released into the wild as part of an Endangered Species Repopulation plan - he exhibits a lot of knowledge about the pokemon League and Mari's Badges, and is capable of human-taught Iaido sword-arts. Gnaw is also much, much more intelligent than a wild Feraligatr - watch him use his attacks in ways no wild pokemon can think up on their own! He even improvises his own way of using the tricks he learnt while Mari trained him.

I also like the idea that Cubone and Marowak in the wild actually collect or fashion bone masks that they wear, or wear the skulls of their ancestors - only orphaned Cubone actually wear their dead mother's skulls, and it's not unusual to see an ancestor Marowak's skull being worn for several generations until the bone weakens. It's a cool tribal flavor.

edited 14th Mar '10 9:29:59 AM by AceOfScarabs

The three finest things in life are to splat your enemies, drive them from their turf, and hear their lamentations as their rank falls!

With Voltorb and Magnemite reproduction: both of those can learn Selfdestruct/Explosion, right? Perhaps they are able to form an egg by blowing open their own shell, then putting some spore kind of things into it - but this only works in a power plant or other area with large amounts of electricity for them to feed off. A Ditto is able to create a sort of fake version of this as part of its attempt to make itself as nonthreatening as possible, meaning that the Voltorb/Magnemite produces an egg despite it not being a power plant.

You are dazzled by my array of very legal documents.

Given: people will think differently than wild Pokémon. Pokémon staying with a trainer will start to think on the same page as the trainer.

The power of training isn't just exercise and practice in a nonthreatening environment. It's a lesson in multitasking, nonlinear thinking, long-term planning, deductive skills, psychological warfare, what general pattern of Ass Pull is actually likely to work, and a veritable flood of ideas and ways of thought that a wild Pokémon outside the confines of developed society would have little to no exposure to.

Compared to your average wild, a trained Pokémon is likely to be a Genius Bruiser.

edited 14th Mar '10 2:59:25 PM by Pykrete

OK, I'm mostly back now.

Since the tone we aim for is going to influence our deliberations, may as well get it hammered out.

Are these part of the consensus so far?

• Pokémon are distinct from "regular animals"; the latter can be eaten, but consuming the former is as much a Moral Event Horizon as simple cannibalism.
• Pokémon Training is a generally positive experience for all involved. (Though abuse does happen, it's not an inherent evil of the institution.)

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?

Eating Pokémon does canonically happen, though it is treated with a great deal of respect and is probably associated more with regional ritual and necessity than common practice among humans.

We can safely assume predator behavior happens in the wild. We can also assume that opinions on eating other Pokémon will vary greatly among those on your team, depending on where they would fall in the food chain and whether they were captured or bred in captivity.

edited 14th Mar '10 10:11:27 PM by Pykrete

And I have afeeling that most humans would not feel right about eating the "Humanshape" style 'mons, like Jynx or Mr. Mime.

I have a message from another time...

Perhaps those in the Ground egg group get eaten most often?

"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake

I'd assume fish, really.

I stand by my theory that Pokemon are actively being uplifted, one trained 'mon at a time. A few Pokemon species are sapient or nearly so in their natural state (probably some of the Legendaries, several psychics, etc.), but it takes a Trainer of either the 'mon in question or their parents to uplift most others. So, it's okay to eat nonsapient Pokemon for humans and sapient Pokemon alike, but it's not okay to eat sapient ones.

Incidentally, this is how the Mystery Dungeons' world comes about, and why the wild Pokemon there sometimes come to their senses and join you - there's a flaw in the process that means that extreme stress can make a formerly sapient Pokemon go crazy... plus, quite a few lineages are still wild and nonsapient. These are the ones the Mystery Dungeon carnivores eat. At least... the civilized ones.

I have no evidence beyond that something had to have happened between the main games and the Mystery Dungeons to explain why everybody can talk now.

Simple - they're in different universes.

"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake

Less fun that way.

Perhaps too many Pokemon became sentient and took over humans?

"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake

It's usually assumed that Pokémon know what each other are saying, and Mystery Dungeon games don't really give any other perspective...

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?

It's confirmed that people used to eat magikarp.

Until it evolved to taste like shoes.

^^ Where did they say that? (Also, ever notice just how cruel pretty much every Pokédex entry for Magikarp is?)

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?

Well, Meowth tried to eat one in the anime's St. Anne miniarc, and it ended up breaking his canines.

Another major question: T Ms.

What exactly are they and how do they work?

The first time we got to see what they looked like was in Fr/Lg, where they resembled C Ds. C Ds that you put on the pokemon's head and it would learn the move it stored.

Wait, what?

Now then what REALLY happens when you use a TM?

Sorry, I can't hear you from my FLYING METAL BOX!

Nice Thread Hop Neo Crimson. A few pages back we concluded that pokeballs convert Pokemon into data so they can be transferred over the box system. The T Ms and H Ms just upload a new skill set into each Pokemon.

We actually didn't decide on T Ms. That's one way to do so.

Also consider that in the anime, it requires special, focused practice to learn a move one normally wouldn't (Iron Tail). It's possible the TM is a training video; like Tae Bo, but for shooting lasers out your nose and stuff.

And then it inexplicably burns out after the first play? I dunno.

We haven't quite established the workings of Pokéballs yet; the whole 'data' things would seem incompatible with the use of Apricorns.

I propose  ^*

that elements of gameplay be ignored unless useful; if TMs appear at all, then, they're training videos, don't burn out, and are essentially a DIY Move Tutor guide.

(I guess the Pokédex has a disc slot and media player?)

Should I open the skeleton post for Pokéballs, then?

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?

I think HMs are more durable versions of TMs - yet contain much less data, that's why HM moves generally suck (with a few exceptions).

"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake

They don't suck! Strength is better than Tackle, Surf is pretty nice, and Fly is better than Sky Attack!