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ShirowShirow More Dread from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
More Dread
Mar 13th 2010 at 5:54:09 PM

Man this remind me how much Pokemon really, really needs an official MMORPG. I doubt anyone would say no to that... Except Nintendo of course.

Anyvayze i really don't see the point in nitpicking about violations of energy to mass ratios when pokemon are stuffed into Pokeballs. This is a world where creatures are explicitly able to slice boulders sith their tails and manifest Elemental and Psychic Powers. They obviously work with a different set of physics than us, as do most works of fiction.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Mar 13th 2010 at 6:05:14 PM

Yeah, I mean we've got the creation and destruction of mass going. We don't want to get too Serious Business, but we should at least be putting forth limits and rules.

Cortez Bien chicky starr. from Puerto Rico
Bien chicky starr.
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:07:38 PM

Aww, but over analysing is half the fun.

" They truly were an Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:08:10 PM

Regarding the whole breeding thing:

Remember that no-one has ever seen a pokemon lay an egg. We know that pokemon do lay them, and that two parents are needed, but no one has ever seen the actual laying, and the day-care personel don't seem to see anything resembling sex (assuming they aren't just being coy, of course). From this evidence, we can assume at least one of two things: That pokemon are very good at hiding when procreating, and/or that their method of procreating is not easily recognisable as such.

Quite a few fans assume that Pokemon breed similarly to real-life animals, but there's no evidence in the games for that.

Considering the forces pokemon seem to be able to control, I wouldn't be surprised if magic was involved.

wild mass guessEssentially, all I've done is remind everyone that there isn't any concrete information on this subject.

It's a plot! ...Quite a well written one too.
Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines.
Your army sucks.
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:14:39 PM

@Pyrkete: I know about all that, and I don't think Pokemon training is animal cruelty. Though I doubt PETA knows or cares about that, considering they're views on pet ownership. That's why I asked why hasn't PETA bitched about Pokemon.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:34:24 PM

but no one has ever seen the actual laying, and the day-care personel don't seem to see anything resembling sex (assuming they aren't just being coy, of course).

I always assumed they were being coy and evasive.

I mean, imagine you're a daycare owner that got hired by a ten-year-old child to take care of his pets. On your watch, they do the nasty. You clean up the...uh...Sludge Bombs minutes before the kid comes back to check up on them.

Some time later a little before he comes to pick them up after his lengthy travels, one of them lays an egg. Naturally you don't want its care on your bill, you're busy enough with your entire daycare full of the little beasts. Heaven knows hatching in a building full of screaming monsters (some of which, presumably, are also making eggs) will be some of the absolute worst first experiences one could inflict upon the newborn.

So you figure hey, the kid is actually taking really good care of his team. He should in all reasonable assumption be able to handle this. You hand the egg off to him with a "Look, miracle of life! Congrats, dad!"

And when the ten-year-old kid in typical ten-year-old innocence asks you how it happened, you cast a wary glance back at your spouse, currently wringing off a mop saturated with more "Sludge Bombs", who grimaces and slices a hand across his/her neck.

"Uh...we have no idea how it happened, son. You have fun now!"

edited 13th Mar '10 7:37:29 PM by Pykrete

Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines.
Your army sucks.
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:37:20 PM

Though that doesn't explain why they keep up with it when the player is obviously selectively breeding them.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:39:54 PM

True. Maybe they're just deliberately stopping themselves from realizing the ten-year-old kid has a full-out eugenics program going, under the facade of preserving his childish innocence.

edited 13th Mar '10 7:40:44 PM by Pykrete

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Court Dragon
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:42:29 PM

What bout the guy in Solaceon Town (I think it was) who tells you, in no uncertain terms, that nobody has actually seen a pokémon lay an egg.

I'd think that a guy living in a town with a Daycare center would know things like this.

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Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines.
Kinkajou One Man Army from you're not your
One Man Army
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:46:21 PM

that nobody has actually seen a pokémon lay an egg.

Because the Pokemon hide when laying eggs, obviously.

"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:48:22 PM

Was it actually one of the daycare people, or just a random girl in Solaceon that says nobody's seen egg-laying? I don't remember, and I don't want to bug my friend to check his Diamond game during a rather stressful finals week.

From Bulbapedia:

No alternate explanation for their creation is offered, however, and most assume that the details are not gone into to keep the games rated as they are.

edited 13th Mar '10 7:49:28 PM by Pykrete

Mar 13th 2010 at 7:50:56 PM

Quite a few fans assume that Pokemon breed similarly to real-life animals, but there's no evidence in the games for that.

All reproducing Pokemon, including mammal looking ones, lay eggs right? That's not like real-life animals. (Save the ones that actually do lay eggs, but even fish Pokemon lay only one egg.) Something different is going on.

edited 13th Mar '10 7:51:34 PM by newtonthenewt

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:50:59 PM

Random person in Solaceon. They basically say there's no hard evidence, but eh.

edited 13th Mar '10 7:51:09 PM by Enlong

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Kinkajou One Man Army from you're not your
One Man Army
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:51:03 PM

ideaSo that's where all the Pokemon-on-Pokemon rule 34 comes from.

"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake
Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines.
Your army sucks.
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:56:49 PM

Well it could be that Pokemon don't physically lay eggs, rather than "create" them somehow. That would explain how supposedly inorganic pokemon like Magnemite can reproduce. And why all the eggs look exactly the same.

Speaking of which, what about inorganic pokemon?

edited 13th Mar '10 7:57:40 PM by Neo_Crimson

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Kinkajou One Man Army from you're not your
One Man Army
Mar 13th 2010 at 7:57:35 PM

That would include most non-Normal Pokemon types.

"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Mar 13th 2010 at 8:00:07 PM

I have no idea. One assumes the vaguely analagous ones like Steelix would have vaguely analagous methods.

But then there's shit like Voltorb.

OH! They reproduce using the Banach-Tarski Theorem!

Kinkajou One Man Army from you're not your
One Man Army
Mar 13th 2010 at 8:04:16 PM

That makes a disturbing amount of sense.

"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remake
mrsaturn Youkai Serious
Youkai Serious
Mar 13th 2010 at 8:38:05 PM

Wait, if genderless monsters will only create an egg with a Ditto, how has their species remained viable for so long?

And where do the baby Dittoes come from anyways? Spontaneous Generation?

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rumetzen The best there is from Austin, Texas
The best there is
Mar 13th 2010 at 8:40:39 PM

Well considering voltorb is made of pure energy, it seems most likely that the eggs just appear. This would hardly be the most implausible thing in the pokemon universe.

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Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines.
Your army sucks.
Mar 13th 2010 at 8:56:38 PM

I always assumed Dittos reproduce asexually via mitosis.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
Mar 13th 2010 at 8:59:44 PM

Sounds pretty plausible.

wild mass guess'mon egss created via Ditto are actually a second Ditto, split off from the original and permanently transformed at time of "birth".wild mass guess

That would explain why Dittos can generate eggs of 'mons that can't even breed with each other.

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Fawriel jump to the left from the bottom of my heart Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
jump to the left
Mar 14th 2010 at 3:59:39 AM

^ I like that theory. grin

By the way, a Pokemon's procreation changes in the care of a trainer, hence why you need certain additives in order to get certain Pokemon to actually get "baby" children rather than, well, not-so-baby children. It's not unreasonable to assume that Pokemon won't all lay eggs in the wild... Or that wild Pokemon won't breed with anyone but their own ilk...

And if we accept this as true, then this means that a domestic Pokemon is practically a different being from a wild one, and that this conversion is caused by the transfer to a Pokeball.

Also, the Proud Warrior Race Guy aspect further strengthens my theory that Pokemon ~= spirit gods!

edited 14th Mar '10 4:00:11 AM by Fawriel

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