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Feb 26th 2011 at 8:58:54 AM

I think we've all decided that there are no real animals in the Pokemon world.

Feb 26th 2011 at 9:18:55 AM


Doesn't mean it makes sense. (why does this sound so familiar?)

Having just 275 animals IN THE WHOLE WORLD doesn't make any sense, there has to be something more unknown at the moment. Plus, I belive there will be, say, more insects that Bug Pokemon. Otherwise, the world does not work.

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Feb 26th 2011 at 9:25:19 AM

I'm going to go with existent until rendered non-existent.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley
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Feb 26th 2011 at 9:31:03 AM

^x2 It's 649. Also, I'm fairly certain that all macrofauna in the Poke-world are Pokemon. If it's bigger than a Joltik, I really don't see it being able to survive having to compete with Pokemon for resources and shelter. Also, I'm fairly certain that even macrofauna smaller than a Joltik would have an extremely difficult time surviving in the Poke-world.

Think of it this way, the 649 (and counting) species of Pokemon aren't analogous with "species" of animals as we know them in our world. Rather, they're more closely aligned with what we would consider a "genus" of animals, with a number of sub-"species" of individual types of Pokemon (e.g. Arbok's markings varying from region to region, Shellos' radically different East and West Sinnoh forms, Pokemon with multiple abilities).

Oh yeah, speaking about abilities, how were we going to handle Dream World abilities?

edited 26th Feb '11 9:31:39 AM by TracerBullet

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Marioguy128 Geomancer from various galaxies
Feb 26th 2011 at 9:34:04 AM

I handled Tropius' Hidden Ability by saying that it was rare for that Pokemon to have the hidden ability.

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CalamityJane from None of your business Relationship Status: Robosexual
Feb 26th 2011 at 9:36:42 AM

Ooooh, a debate about Legendaries! This I can participate in!

Though really, the only thing that I can contribute to that discussion is that Legendary Pokemon are, as stated in the title, Pokemon attached to Legends first and foremost. If the Hindu God Ganesh somehow turns out to be based on an actual species of elephant, then you have Legendaries like Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres and Tornadus/Thundurus/Landorus. If you found out that Big Turtle from the Iroquoi Creation Myth is an actual enormous sea turtle, then you have Legendaries like the Lati.

However if you find out that the Monotheistic, Christian God actually exists (a la Bruce Almighty), then you have pokemon like Dialga/Palkia/Giratina and Arceus. If intangible concepts like the Taoist Yin/Yang end up being personified into an animal, then you get Reshiram/Zekrom and Victini. It more or less goes on and on like that for a while.

However, pokemon that are connected to fairy-tales, like Gengar the Once-Human or Dusknoir the Grim Reaper, then you just have regular pokemon that are connected to a myth. Just because skeletons exist does not mean they are all the grim reaper, and just because Cryptids (may or may not) exist doesn't mean they're all the Yeti or Big Foot.

edited 26th Feb '11 9:38:16 AM by CalamityJane

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Feb 26th 2011 at 4:44:24 PM

Just in case anyone is interested in, there will be some chatter at Tangent's Jabber chatroom in a couple minutes. We should totally have an online indicator for the chatroom somewhere.

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Anomalocaris20 HAHA-HAHAHAHA-HAAAAA! from Sagittarius A* Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
Feb 26th 2011 at 4:46:12 PM

I'd rather not use that myself. I'm very paranoid about my compy... It already has enough problems as it is.

The fact that the world exists means nobody has had a TRUE 'everything bagel' yet. Twitch
SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
Feb 26th 2011 at 5:43:41 PM

OK, for those weirdly interested, Tangent is giving a chemistry class at the chatroom...

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CalamityJane from None of your business Relationship Status: Robosexual
SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
Feb 26th 2011 at 6:11:23 PM

↑And I hear Missingno is being crushed by a boat while we are taking the class (by the same people taking it, I'd surmise).

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Wait, he isn't dead! Shia Surprise!
Feb 26th 2011 at 6:15:04 PM

...What's going on in this chatroom of yours?

The Danse Macabre Codex
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Feb 26th 2011 at 6:24:13 PM

[up]only one way to find out!

er, the name of the room is the same as last time?

edited 26th Feb '11 6:26:26 PM by Blissey1

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Anomalocaris20 HAHA-HAHAHAHA-HAAAAA! from Sagittarius A* Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
Feb 26th 2011 at 6:25:05 PM

What is it? I love chemistry!

Maybe I should join in.

edited 26th Feb '11 6:25:40 PM by Anomalocaris20

The fact that the world exists means nobody has had a TRUE 'everything bagel' yet. Twitch
Tangent128 from Virginia Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Feb 26th 2011 at 7:43:57 PM

Room is the same, yes, though Ano had technical difficulties tonight.

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?
Anomalocaris20 HAHA-HAHAHAHA-HAAAAA! from Sagittarius A* Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
Feb 26th 2011 at 8:32:49 PM

I'd like to know what the chem lesson was...

The fact that the world exists means nobody has had a TRUE 'everything bagel' yet. Twitch
TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley
Guess Who...?
Feb 26th 2011 at 8:46:59 PM

So I'm trying to join the chat, but my client says that I'm not allowed to...


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Feb 26th 2011 at 8:49:26 PM

Did you put the accent in "pokedex"? That was my problem.

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Tangent128 from Virginia Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Feb 26th 2011 at 8:49:27 PM

I'll post my logs eventually.

Napalm, what kind of error? How are you logging in?

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?
SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
Feb 26th 2011 at 8:50:10 PM

Tracer: what client are you using? Do you have a Jabber account or are you using something else? And finally, take care of that "é" in the chatroom name. Just some suggestions. I had a "forbidden" problem because I got my password wrong, for instance.

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley
Guess Who...?
Feb 26th 2011 at 9:15:51 PM

And it's here, about a month and a half earlier than I had planned...

Riolu Line

Morphs [Oak Catalog #]

  • Riolu [#447]
  • Lucario [#448]

Physical Description

Riolu and Lucario compose a line of digitigrade bipedal canids that are characterized by distinctive pelts with blue, yellow, and black markings, arms and legs that each terminate with three digits, the presence of vaguely metallic bony growths on regions of their bodies, a distinctively "check"-shaped tail, and a command of the paranormal phenomena known as "aura" that is rivaled only by a small number of extraordinarily rare and powerful species of Pokémon.

A typical Riolu measures around 70 centimeters in height and weighs just over 20 kilograms. A Riolu possess a pelt dominated by blue fur, with black regions covering its upper torso, its lower legs, a pair of fleshy appendages growing from the sides of its head, a "mask" around its eyes and extending along the upper region of its snout, and a band of cream-colored fur around its neck giving a resemblance to a collar. Riolu possess a pair of prominent, rounded metallic-looking growths that extend along the majority of outer portion their lower arms.

Average individuals from Riolu's second and presumed final stage stand roughly 50 centimeters taller and typically weigh approximately 35 kilograms more than their younger counterparts. A Lucario's body structure undergoes significant changes, with the emergence of a pair of folds of skin along its legs, giving an appearance akin to that of wearing a baggy pair of furry shorts. A similar structure occurs along the intersection of a Lucario's arms with its torso, giving the impression of protruding bands. Lucario possess large, sharp, and vaguely conical spikes similar in composition to the growths on its arms as a Riolu, which include a pair protruding from its wrists, and a single spike protruding from the center of its chest. Lucario also gain more prominent ears and a second pair of head appendages upon evolution, and unlike Riolu, have their appendages located along the back as opposed to the sides of their heads. Lucario's pelt also changes dramatically with evolution, with the majority of its torso dominated by cream-colored fur. A Lucario's lower legs, forearms and paws, shoulder "bands," head appendages, inner ears, a "mask" that wraps around to incorporate the majority of the back of its head, and a "belt" wrapping around its lower torso are covered in black fur, with remaining regions covered in blue fur similar in color to that of its prior form.

In rare circumstances, there have been documented cases of Riolu and Lucario with pelts with yellow and teal regions in place of their normal blue and cream regions, which have been historically sought after within some training circles.

Notable Biology

One of the defining physical features of Riolu and Lucario is their skeletal structure. Like a number of other Pokémon classified as being "Steel-types," Riolu and Lucario possess bones with significant levels of metallic compounds incorporated into their structures, which give their bones a vaguely metallic appearance. This quality also makes Riolu and Lucario bones markedly stronger than those of most other Pokemon, which coupled with its already formidable strength and endurance, allows it to perform physical feats well beyond the capabilities of normal human beings. At the same time, this element of Riolu and Lucario's physiology appears to cause the creatures to experience significant discomfort when exposed to particularly high or low temperatures for extended periods of time, and makes the creatures, especially individuals that have matured into Lucario, vulnerable to overheating when subjected to extremely high temperatures.

Riolu and Lucario are also defined by a evolutionary process that is triggered by the accumulation of hormones, not wholly unlike the evolution of other Pokémon such as Pichu and some evolutions of Eevee. These hormonal levels appear to accumulate gradually over time, though appear to decline significantly under conditions of emotional duress and appear to accumulate at an accelerated rate under conditions with high levels of non-hostile socialization. Curiously, it appears that even with sufficiently high hormonal levels, Riolu appear incapable of evolving at night, a phenomena that remains enigmatic to researchers to this day.

Perhaps the most notable characteristic of Riolu and Lucario is their command over the phenomena that is commonly termed "aura," with Lucario appearing to exhibit a more extensive capability to manipulate aura than its younger counterpart. One of the most prominent avenues that Riolu and its brethren exercise aura in is in combat. Members of the Riolu line appear to be capable of utilizing aura to detect opponents that would normally be out of their line of sight. In addition, members of this line appear to be able to manipulate aura in order to create implements or appendages that behave as physical objects would, which is most vividly exhibited in these creatures' use of techniques such as Metal Claw and Bone Rush. In addition, Lucario, and in some rarer cases, Riolu, have been known to utilize aura in order to cast bursts of energy known as "Aura Spheres." It is believed that the command over aura that these creatures possess also enables them to exhibit some level of control over paranormal phenomena associated with other types of Pokémon, which is supported by the range of techniques that captive Riolu and Lucario have been successfully taught, which includes a number of techniques associated with Dark-type, Psychic-type, and Ghost-type Pokémon.

Riolu and Lucario appear to also utilize this phenomenon for applications beyond combat, and display empathic properties not wholly unlike those exhibited by Pokémon such as the members of the Ralts line. Riolu appear to be capable of both detecting the emotions of other nearby creatures, as well as disseminating its own emotions with other creatures, which it appears to use as a means of long-range communication when amongst other members of its line. Lucario have been known to exhibit a command over aura that vastly exceeds the capabilities of its younger brethren, with accounts of individuals performing feats such as communicating with individual creatures almost a kilometer away, sharing coherent memories with trainers, and in some cases exhibiting what appears to be an incredibly extensive understanding of human speech and a capacity to quickly develop understandings of multiple human languages.

It should be noted that as with any creature, a Riolu's or a Lucario's command over its natural capabilities appears to vary significantly per individual, with some individuals exhibiting phenomenal capabilities with aura, while others appear to struggle to perform even very basic techniques. In addition, contrary to urban legend, the strength of the aura-related techniques utilized by a member of this line does not appear to become noticeably stronger when increasingly physically exhausted (which appears to be a gross oversimplification of some battle techniques that involve the use of Petaya berries), though there does appear to be a connection between a Riolu or Lucario's well-being and its capability to utilize aura, as severely wounded or ill individuals have been known to have their aura-related capabilities dramatically weakened.


Due to extensive and systematic overhunting for many decades, Riolu and Lucario's habitat are known for the most part via historical record. Riolu and Lucario were noted to have dwelt in forested meadows, as well as habitats more typically associated with related fighting types such as caverns and mountainous regions. As of present, Riolu and Lucario possess an extremely limited and scattered range, with the only known populations stable enough to support continued hunting consisting of an entrenched population in Unova's Training Cavern, and a population introduced to Johto's Safari Zone. Occasional sightings of wild Riolu and Lucario beyond this range have been noted, with a significant number of sightings recorded in Sinnoh, which historically boasted a number of Riolu and Lucario populations.


Riolu and Lucario have an omnivorous diet, with a carnivorous slant that grows more pronounced in the latter stage of members of this line. Hunting is typically the domain of Lucario, though Riolu nearing evolution have been known to join hunting parties, and a typical hunting party consists of 4-6 individuals. Targeted prey vary by region, though Pokémon in the Humanshape egg group are not known to be targeted, with rare exceptions in exceedingly lean times. Hunting parties of Lucario appear to have a bias towards Rock and Steel-Type prey, which is presumably due to the relative ease with which creatures in this line can subdue such quarry, as well as the unique nutritional needs that Riolu and Lucario's skeletal structure demands. Riolu and Lucario also have a markedly greater tolerance for foods with substances that would make most other canid Pokémon severely ill, though letting a Riolu or Lucario consume large quantities of said foods, often containing substances such as caffeine, theobromine, or theophylline, is not advisable.


As with most other Pokémon, pestering or threatening creatures from this line, especially without the protection of Pokémon of one's own, is an exercise for trainers with a death wish. Both Riolu and Lucario employ a range of physically-based melee attacks incorporating punches and kicks, and are capable of exerting force well beyond what their meager frames would suggest. Physically-oriented attacks by Riolu are capable of causing deep bruising, and will easily break minor bones, and potentially cause hairline fractures in major bones. Physically-oriented attacks by Lucario are by far more serious, which are easily capable of breaking major bones and causing severe internal bleeding, and in severe cases can inflict injuries that require immediate hospitalization, if not outright mortal wounds. It is important to note that depending upon an individual Riolu or Lucario's mastery of aura techniques, aura-based assaults can be every bit as dangerous as their physical counterparts, if not more so. Although an implement or appendage generated via aura may appear to be nothing but translucent blue light, it will behave very much as if it were a physical object. Of special note are Aura Spheres, which unlike many other techniques used by members of this line incorporating aura, appears to have effects that are more in line with psychic assaults (which incidentally, are occasionally utilized by captive Lucario that have been taught the technique dubbed "Psychic"). Researchers are still presently at a loss to describe how Aura Sphere affects its victims, though this can perhaps be best approximated by suggestions in folklore that Aura Spheres represent a direct assault on an entity's "life energy."

Beyond combat-related hazards, poor or abusive training of a Riolu or Lucario is very much a liability, which when coupled with these creatures' relative popularity among trainers and level of involvement required to train one in a healthy manner, has led to a large number of Pokémon from this line being undertrained in captivity. Both creatures in this line, though especially Lucario, have been noted to harbor grudges to affronts to their dignity, which depending upon the severity of the offense and individual temperament, may result in anything from one's Riolu or Lucario becoming more uncooperative and hostile to launching an outright attack. As such, it is generally not recommended to trade captive Lucario or attempt to capture wild Lucario, as such individuals are difficult for even veteran trainers to control. In addition, members of this line that are not properly socialized with human beings other than their trainer have been known to become overly-protective of their trainers, especially as Lucario, which has led to more than one aspiring trainer getting his or her license revoked. In addition, individuals without a proper grasp of their own strength or physiology are another potential source of danger, which has resulted in numerous incidents of trainers being hospitalized by overly rough play by members of this line, as well as well-intentioned attempts by poorly-trained Lucario emulate human practices of hugging as a sign of affection.


Reproduction among members of the Riolu line is biologically restricted to Lucario, as Riolu are not sexually mature. Courtship among Lucario appears to occur between members of two different social units, not wholly unlike behaviors observed by members of the Cubone line, and Lucario appear to be extremely reluctant to seek mates from their own social units. Courtship is typically initiated by males (though in regions with populations with matriarchal social structures, inversions of this practice have been recorded), who attempt to woo potential mates by gifts of food and assorted trinkets, followed by displays of strength and proficiency with aura via ritualized battles with the female. Upon the female's selection of a suitor, both the male and female seek the blessing of the respective heads of their social units for their union, upon which, the female (or male in matriarchal structures) will join her (or his) mate's social unit. Curiously, the practice of "arranged" courtship appears to be markedly less common among Lucario than among other Pokémon with similar courtship patterns, with examples of this behavior virtually unheard of outside of the population in Unova's Training Cavern.

Lucario typically mate in secluded areas not far from the rest of the members of their social unit, and seldom bear more than one offspring per mating cycle. Unlike most Pokémon, it appears that a significant majority of unions among Lucario last for the duration of their members' lifespans, with the occasional dissolved union resulting in the female (or male) once again entertaining offers of courtship from other individuals outside of the social units that she (or he) had previously associated with.

Due to the immense rarity of Lucario, it is not uncommon for Lucario to both court and accept offers of courtship from Pokémon outside of their immediate line, though courtship with Pokémon outside of the Humanshape egg group appears to be rare outside of captivity.

Social Structure

Like other mammalian Pokémon, Lucario possess a peculiar form of ovoviviparity in which their eggs are capable of successfully hatching both within and outside a female individual's body, though it should be noted that it is exceedingly rare for Riolu eggs to hatch externally outside of captivity outside of the event of multiple offspring. Newly hatched/born Riolu are blind and are dependent upon their parents and any relations for protection and sustenance for the first weeks of their lives. Gender ratios vary significantly per population and via method in which a Riolu egg hatches, though almost all present and historical populations of Riolu and Lucario have been observed to possess gender ratios skewed towards males. This phenomenon is particularly pronounced in captivity, where the average gender ratio among newly hatched Riolu averages 7 males for every female.

Wild Riolu and Lucario appear to organize themselves into structures that appear to share characteristics with both pack structures among other Pokémon, as well as clan structures amongst human societies, which typically average between 10-15 individuals (with the largest such structure on record containing over 60 individuals). Wild Riolu and Lucario organize themselves into extended familial units, with units typically led by an "Alpha" male Lucario (though it should be noted that historically, populations in Sinnoh were matriarchal in structure). These units appear to possess a remarkably intimate structure, with both father and mother raising their offspring for 18-24 months with the support of the fellow Lucario of a given social unit. During this period, a Riolu will be taught Aura techniques by its father, though it appears that this role is typically assumed by mothers in more matriarchal groups. After this initial period, said offspring are gradually weaned off their parents' support and into becoming independent members of their familial unit afterward up until their evolution. Despite the presence of a formal head, these familial units seem to lack the degree of rigidity and degree of hierarchical organization of more typical pack structures among Pokémon, with authority organized first by generation, then by respective strength among members within a common generation. These units often align themselves with other units into blocs via exchanging members via ties through courtship, not unlike the practice of marital alliances in some human societies.

Riolu and Lucario have what appear to be socially-instilled systems of honor, which are disseminated from parents to their offspring. These codes of honor cover a wide variety of behavior, ranging from conduct in combat, courtship, respecting the territory of other groups of Riolu and Lucario, and interactions with unrelated Pokémon. These honor systems vary by region and among familial units, though individuals that deviate excessively from the accepted systems of honor have been recorded as being shunned by their peers, a practice which appears to carry over on a larger scale for familial units whose code of honor diverges too radically from those of nearby groups of Riolu and Lucario.

In Human Society

Riolu are known to have generally playful temperaments, while their older counterparts are known to typically possess a more serious but loyal temperament. These qualities have long made Riolu and Lucario a fixture of human tradition, with numerous folk tales extolling the exploits or loyalty of a trainer's Riolu or Lucario. This long-standing position in folklore has led to Riolu and Lucario, as well as phenomena associated with the two becoming deeply entrenched in media. Among the most prominent manifestations of this influence on media are a number of franchises revolving around human users of aura, including a massive science-fiction franchise as well as myriad cartoon series, a popular comic-book superhero with a fighting style modeled after that exhibited by members of this line, and the presence of creatures in this line in a truly staggering range of media. These creatures also appear to have influenced fashion trends to an extent, as hair clips with patterns modeled after those present on the ears of creatures from this line were immensely popular for a time. Sadly, Riolu and Lucario also carry the dubious distinction of being the poster children for the adverse effects of media publicity upon Pokémon, as wild populations of these creatures have been decimated by overhunting and poaching, which ironically, has lead to further media exposure of these creatures due to the plight of their wild populations.

Thoughts? And any bits of atrocious grammar that I should be aware of?

edited 16th Mar '11 10:25:16 PM by TracerBullet

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Feb 26th 2011 at 9:23:52 PM

the issue I didn't bring up in the chat, is that you say that Lucario are super popular with trainers, and also say that Lucario should only be raised by veteran trainers. Wouldn't this lead to large amount of Riolu/Lucario going to trainers that are not able to properly care for them? Should probably mention that somewhere.

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley
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Feb 26th 2011 at 9:34:06 PM

^ IIRC, the comment was about traded and wild Lucario (for reasons not wholly unlike a certain psychic mon from Hoenn). At least, that was what I was hoping to communicate...

EDIT: That said, you probably do have a point about a large number of these guys winding up in the hands of trainers who would have a horrible time handling them, I'll be sure to throw that in.

EDIT 2: Oh yeah, since a slot in my queue opened up...

Present Queue:

edited 26th Feb '11 11:14:46 PM by TracerBullet

Hard Boiled Detective Since 1985
Feb 27th 2011 at 5:52:48 AM

My queue right now:

  • Swinub
  • Snivy
  • Elgeyem

(I'm waiting for Mar. 6th to post the Oshawott/Snivy lines).

edited 27th Feb '11 5:53:02 AM by Locoman

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Your army sucks.
Feb 27th 2011 at 6:16:19 AM

My current queue:

  • Chansey
  • Regigigas
  • Darkrai (Is anyone else doing this?)

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