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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#251: Feb 5th 2011 at 2:00:51 PM

As for the idea of using Jafar, I've come up with a few ideas:














Also, this scene probably has a wide variety of potential page images, but I'm not sure which kind of page image would be best to use. (The excerpt I'm referring to starts at 2 minutes 13 seconds into the video, and continues for about a minute.)

edited 5th Feb '11 2:02:23 PM by neoYTPism

ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
Funkasaurus Since: Nov, 2010
#253: Feb 9th 2011 at 10:15:56 AM

The third Jafar from the bottom (human, snake tongue) is probably the best, since there's the obvious Smug Snake (yeah, yeah) Evil Chancellor associations, plus that was total Nightmare Fuel for some 90s kids. There's also the Sssnaketalk just before his eyes turn and he transforms. So yeah, better than nothing. Especially when you consider one of the Neutral Evil hats is deceptiveness, manipulativeness and lying, which "speaking with a forked tongue" is an idiom for.

Maleficent would be good too, she summons "the powers of hell" and doesn't afraid of anything is a total Card-Carrying Villain, as opposed to the Wicked Witch whose wickedness seems more like an Informed Flaw after further review.

edit to avoid double post: the one where he's using his staff to hypnotize the sultan would work too.

edited 14th Feb '11 2:04:33 PM by Funkasaurus

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#254: Feb 14th 2011 at 4:03:47 PM

The snake Jafar one is currently being used elsewhere though. It's probably better to go with another one.

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#255: Feb 19th 2011 at 3:14:52 PM

Also, in the Evil Chancellor thread, I mentioned my Jafar pics from this thread... I figure I may as well show in this thread the Jafar pics that Tyoria mentioned in that one.


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EDIT: And another thing. As of this post, the only options in the green are Maleficent and the "Yet another of Scar" one.

I think I already mentioned reasons in favour of using Maleficent in the top post of page 4, though the most relevant is probably her Dark Is Evil style. As for "Yet another of Scar," it seems to rely on recognizability... it doesn't seem to make clear what's going on, and I'm not really convinced that someone who was unfamiliar with the context would know. At least the "goose-stepping hyenas" option seems to indicate manipulativeness on Scar's part.

In any case, I'd say that if Maleficent or the goose-stepping hyenas are too JAFAAC to be put on the page then Neutral Good's current pic would probably be too JAFAAC to keep. Besides, the alignment grid would probably be more symmetric with either both removed or both there anyway...

edited 19th Feb '11 3:29:11 PM by neoYTPism

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#256: Feb 28th 2011 at 2:46:46 PM

Bumping this, because the last post in this thread is from more than a week ago.

ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
#257: Feb 28th 2011 at 3:09:05 PM

All of those are very JAFAAC.

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#258: Feb 28th 2011 at 5:45:10 PM

[up] Would you say the same for the Spider Man example?

KSonik Since: Jan, 2015
#259: Mar 1st 2011 at 2:38:07 AM

Since when does the Spiderman picture have anything to do with this discussion?

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#260: Mar 1st 2011 at 4:21:38 AM

[up] My idea was that if we were to refrain from using Maleficent for "JAFAAC" reasons, we may as well remove the Spider-Man pic for similar reasons.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
#262: Mar 6th 2011 at 5:20:44 PM

Even if we did go with Maleficent, that's a pretty terrible image of her.

ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
#264: Mar 6th 2011 at 5:50:49 PM

It's a side-angle zoomed out shot that gets a lousy shot at her face.

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#265: Mar 6th 2011 at 6:08:35 PM

[up] It still makes clear what she looks like though.

For whatever it may be worth, here is the original image before I resized it. I found it by looking up "Maleficent" in google image search.

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#266: Mar 8th 2011 at 10:06:54 PM

Or alternatively, here is a slightly larger version.


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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#267: Mar 10th 2011 at 1:20:10 PM

Maleficent is still in the lead, should I put her up? If not, should I take Spider-Man down from Neutral Good? He is probably a bit more recognizable, but his pic and quote aren't much less JAFAAC.

EDIT: On a sidenote, here is a source of potential Maleficent-related page images, in case the current one isn't good enough.

edited 10th Mar '11 1:27:49 PM by neoYTPism

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#268: Mar 10th 2011 at 6:54:30 PM

No, she's in the lead, but she has a lot of downvotes. It's not a good consensus. I'd want at least a 2:1 ratio first.

Plus she's JAFAAC. I don't know why people like her.

edited 10th Mar '11 6:54:51 PM by troacctid

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#269: Mar 10th 2011 at 7:01:00 PM

[up] I'd say it's...

  • Partly because she's at least somewhat recognizable. (She's from a fairly well-known Disney Animated Canon movie.)
  • Partly because of her stereotypically villainous appearance; she's dressed in black, for one thing, and her raven is practically analogous to a Right-Hand Cat; really, evil is easy to represent visually, it's the specific variety of evil that's the shaky part, and even after 11 pages of discussion, ideas on how to represent Neutral Evil in particular don't seem that abundant.
  • And perhaps I'm not the only one who thinks her unconventionally pretty look symbolizes various traits of this alignment. (See also my post at the top of page 4 of this thread; my comment about "admiration and resentment" refers to overlap between Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard, which isn't limited to this alignment, but does seem to tend towards it.)

But yeah, I suppose we should give it a little more time yet.

edited 10th Mar '11 7:15:29 PM by neoYTPism

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#270: Mar 10th 2011 at 7:03:13 PM

[up][up]She's not completely JAFAAC; she's Obviously Evil, so the trope is at least partly there.

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271: Mar 10th 2011 at 7:12:09 PM

But we don't need to show "Evil" here. That's easy to do. What we need to show is Neutral Evil. I don't see anything in that pic that suggests Neutral. She's just, well, Just A Face.

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#272: Mar 10th 2011 at 7:14:21 PM

[up] How exactly do you suggest we go about "showing" Neutral Evil in particular then?

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#273: Mar 10th 2011 at 7:43:47 PM

Don't look at me, I voted for imageless. How would you show it?

edited 10th Mar '11 7:44:26 PM by troacctid

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#274: Mar 10th 2011 at 8:10:47 PM

[up] I don't know how, that's my point. I say the varieties are hard to demonstrate in and of themselves with pictures, which is why I'd settle for demonstrating evil in evil alignments, and settling for recognizability for the sub-varieties. (Also, I did give SOME reasons, though perhaps somewhat flawed ones, as to why the Maleficent pic would even help represent the subvariety.)

That and I also suggested that IF this is to be imageless, then the Spider-Man pic should probably be removed from Neutral Good while we're at it.

INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#275: Mar 10th 2011 at 8:27:58 PM

I think showing neutrality on the law/chaos axis is nearly impossible. It tends to involve showing someone not doing anything, which is really Just A Face territory.

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