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Demetrios Wakanda Forever! from Wheeling, Illinois Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
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Mar 11th 2019 at 9:26:06 AM

Oh yeah. Thanks for the tips. :)

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
Mar 13th 2019 at 6:20:47 PM

Do I need to play any of the other games before Nier:Automata?

Like I'm guessing that I should play Nier first, right?

What about the Drakengard series?

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kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Mar 13th 2019 at 6:29:00 PM

[up]You can play the first Nier, but you don't need to. Automata doesn't have anything to do with the original outside of the odd sidequest until the last part of the game, and even then it tells you all you need to know. There's really only one sidequest where you need to have played the first game to get the full impact, but even then you don't need to do it.

Though I'd still recommend playing the first game anyway, just for the experience. The gameplay's not as good as Automata's, but the story's just as stellar.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
Mar 13th 2019 at 6:30:26 PM

Is the Drakengard series good?

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Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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Mar 13th 2019 at 6:36:04 PM

[up]drakengard 1 has a memorble atmosphere and some interesting ideas, but that's about it. The gameplay is abysmal, and the writing per se is mostly not that good with some poor voice acting and dialogue all around. Yoko frequently gets accused of people of being too grimdark, which is something I can kinda get, but the only game that felt overly "edgy" to me is D1.

Drakengard 2 is the black sheep because the head writer for the series wasn't involved in a major way. It's generally uninteresting and cookie cutter, and thusly completely ignorable.

Drakengard 3 has a much better localization than d1 and feels a bit better to play but it's mega jank and has terrible peformance. At times it also feels like a b-list anime in a way the other games don't.

IMO the Nier games are much better in every way.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Mar 13th 2019 at 10:45:26 AM

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RedSavant Demon
Demon
Mar 13th 2019 at 7:17:10 PM

There was only one moment when I was annoyed by a clear instance of "if you didn't play the first game, we're not explaining what this is", and that's when you meet a certain shopkeeper in Automata. Once I settled in a little more, I started to enjoy not having played the first game - it helped me feel more in line with 2B and 9S, who also don't know much of what happened back then, and I managed to piece together a general picture of what went on in NieR by the end of Automata.

I was a little turned off the series in general because whenever I asked why I should play the games, the only response I ever got was the clip of Kaine shouting at Weiss at the beginning of Automata, or the opening video for Drakengard 3 - which is weird as hell, and I realized it just wasn't worth forcing myself to pretend I'd get to like it eventually.

Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Mar 13th 2019 at 7:20:38 PM

That's kinda the problem. The games work better when you go into them without much in terms of expectations, but because of that a lot of fans are hesitant to tell you too much because then you'll build expectations.

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The Dead Man
Mar 13th 2019 at 7:24:01 PM

Also, Nier has a good story, music, and characters, but it's sort of ass in terms of gameplay.

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Mar 13th 2019 at 7:24:58 PM

The problem with anti-spoiler culture is when no one will spoil enough of something to make it sound interesting.

RedSavant Demon
Demon
Mar 13th 2019 at 7:25:54 PM

That is fair, but I guess I was expecting more of a back-of-the-box summary, or so on. Though I guess you can get a box summary anywhere; Kaine's shouting may legitimately have been what sold my particular friends on the game, so it's perfectly reasonable for them to want to show off their favorite part. I just couldn't take the writing. There's a weird kind of sensibility to it that reminds me of Suda51 games like No More Heroes or some of the humor in Bayonetta, which is very hit or miss, and it's largely miss for me.

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Deranged X-Mas Figure
Mar 13th 2019 at 7:27:41 PM

[up]In that case, maybe you shouldn't be basing the entire game off of that one part?

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Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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Mar 13th 2019 at 7:35:25 PM

[up][up]Thing is, it's not really a humorous scene in context at all. YMMV on whether the exact dialogue works for you, but it's a really memorable scene that's well-acted, serves a strong purpose in the story and shows some great character work. That's part of what's cool about it.

I mean, it was never gonna be a game that was gonna appeal to everyone, so I wouldn't exactly fault you for not being interested in it especially if the particular scene everyone was showing you to sell you on it wasn't to your tastes.

Personally though? Nie R is one of my favorite game experiences of all time. It taught me something really important: I've played many games since then, games that played better, looked better, were more polished, all that jazz. But most of those games are not anywhere near as interesting to me, and it's Nier that's stuck with me all these years over them. I still think about it very often and I don't think I've ever been more excited at an e3 announcement than when SE announced a Nier sequel, with a dream team no less. Or in other words, sometimes a deeply flawed but interesting game is more worthwhile than something that is more technically competent but not as interesting.

But that being said I kinda feel you on Drakengard 3. I don't regret playing it myself and still found it interesting, but it's a really tough sell to most people even moreso than the first Nie R. I'm just glad that I wasn't expecting it to be on par with it, because otherwise boy would I have been disappointed.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Mar 13th 2019 at 10:47:48 AM

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Mar 13th 2019 at 7:45:01 PM

Thing is, it's not really a humorous scene in context at all. YMMV on whether the exact dialogue works for you, but it's a really memorable scene that's well-acted, serves a strong purpose in the story and shows some great character work. That's part of what's cool about it.

That is true. But also I find it really funny how you're greeted with Kaine swearing every time you turn on the game.

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Mar 13th 2019 at 7:51:58 PM

[up][up] I feel the same with Asura's Wrath, myself.

And I honestly find Nier originals' writing to be a bit overrated, and heavily prefer Nier Automata's.

RedSavant Demon
Demon
Mar 13th 2019 at 8:05:22 PM

@KK: I mean, I didn't want to. But that was the only part anyone would tell me about and I didn't want to go looking on my own, because that's a great way to stumble onto articles that are like "There are spoilers in this article, like how Emil is secretly Nier's dad the whole time!"

Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Mar 13th 2019 at 8:08:00 PM

To be honest though, I do find it a little weird that people wouldn't tell you any more than that. I get not wanting to give you too much information, but "weird dark fantasy game that balances good metahumor with soul-crushing tragedy, with memorable characters who are well-acted, interesting humanistic themes and uses of the videogame medium to tell the story" doesn't give that much away.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Mar 13th 2019 at 11:08:36 AM

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RedSavant Demon
Demon
Mar 13th 2019 at 8:18:06 PM

The crowd I ran with back then wasn't the best in terms of stuff like that, unfortunately. Some of them took a general view of "if this doesn't sell you then nothing will", so.

Anyway, no, you don't need to have played NieR to play Automata, and in fact I would almost recommend going in series-blind. I don't think you need any of the Drakengard games, either.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
Mar 13th 2019 at 8:21:09 PM

Would you guys rec I play Drakengard 1 & 3 or should I just watch an LP?

"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
Demongodofchaos2 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Mar 13th 2019 at 8:25:12 PM

Watch an Lp, or watch the youtuber Clemp's analysis on those 2.

Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Mar 13th 2019 at 8:26:12 PM

[up][up]Personally I would say skip D1 and watch an LP of that, and maybe play D3 if you really like Nie R Automata and Nier, but otherwise just watching an LP is fine for that too.

I personally recommend looking at The Dark Id's LP of D1. It's a bit dated in some of its humor but it's what got me into the series.

Really, the only thing that really matters to Nie R from Drakengard is the last ending of D1 because it serves as backstory. But you don't really need that for Automata or even arguably the first Nier.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Mar 13th 2019 at 11:27:10 AM

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Mar 13th 2019 at 8:32:39 PM

Yeah literally the only thing you need to know from Drakengard going into Nier is that in its wiiiiild final ending John Drakengard and his dragon girlfriend get transported from fantasy world into Modern Day Tokyo. They then fight against the final boss in a bullshit rhythm game. After they win, they get shot out of the sky by fighter jets.

Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Mar 13th 2019 at 8:39:45 PM

Well, more specifically it's that those events completely fucked up the whole world and humanity as we know it because of magic remnants from a weird evangelion monster.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
OmegaRadiance Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Mar 13th 2019 at 8:46:26 PM

Actually... Drakengard Ending E sends them into the far future of Drakengard 2 Ending C.

Drakengard takes place in Europe afterall even if they dont call it that.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 13th 2019 at 8:47:26 AM

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Mar 13th 2019 at 8:58:11 PM

I really enjoyed the original Nier, actually played it well before I got to Automata (but after Automata actually came out, whoops). It's flawed but still very fascinating and charming. This isn't news but the story, characters and music really carry it along.

Automata of course is one of my favorite games of all time, and drastically improved in the gameplay department. I wouldn't say it's Platinum's best work, but it is my favorite of Taro's work if that makes sense. The addition of a chapter select once you've beaten the game is much appreciated and Ending E is one of the single best things that I've ever experienced in games. Like, ever.

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Mar 13th 2019 at 8:58:26 PM

[up][up][up]Well that bit is probably fine to find out by playing the game.

Edited by Moth13 on Mar 13th 2019 at 11:58:32 AM


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