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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Oct 10th 2009 at 10:11:38 PM

Having a trope with the same name as a work is not good. Brigadoon needs a rename.

Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#3: Oct 11th 2009 at 1:02:17 AM

It's also completely meaningless if you're not familiar with the original story. Particularly as what I've managed to find out about it indicates the trope isn't what most people would first think about it.

dilbert719 (Primordial Chaos)
#4: Oct 11th 2009 at 4:17:45 AM

Vanishing Village seems to be a good replacement name. (Or if it needs to be about the plot, Vanishing Village Escape.) While this trope is the first thing that comes to mind when I hear Brigadoon, we definitely don't want it to have the same name as the work.

Aquillion Since: Jan, 2001
#5: Oct 11th 2009 at 10:16:24 PM

It's also completely meaningless if you're not familiar with the original story. Particularly as what I've managed to find out about it indicates the trope isn't what most people would first think about it.
I don't know. In this case, the work being referenced is pretty iconic for the trope — several of the examples in the list are outright references to it, for instance.

A rename is necessary anyway to avoid overwriting the work's namespace, of course, but I would be fine with one that works Brigadoon in somehow. Brigadoon Curse might work, except that not everything listed is a curse, precisely...

Of course, one that doesn't include Brigadoon is also fine if people don't feel it's well-known enough.

I don't like Vanishing Village, though, since it doesn't imply that it comes back every hundred years or whatever.

edited 11th Oct '09 10:17:26 PM by Aquillion

Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#6: Oct 11th 2009 at 10:28:48 PM

The description made it sound like having to escape the village was an integral part of the trope. So the name does fit, but I'd still prefer something that doesn't require familiarity with the work.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#7: Oct 11th 2009 at 10:47:49 PM

They've been Brigadoomed!

*crickets*

*slinks away in shame*

edited 11th Oct '09 10:48:15 PM by alliterator

Wulf Gotta trope, dood! from Louisiana Since: Jan, 2001
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#8: Oct 12th 2009 at 10:18:09 AM

I'll second Brigadoom...

edited 12th Oct '09 10:18:26 AM by Wulf

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#9: Oct 12th 2009 at 11:14:02 AM

One letter off isn't enough.

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Wulf Gotta trope, dood! from Louisiana Since: Jan, 2001
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#10: Oct 12th 2009 at 11:31:20 AM

I disagree. As long as it's not the exact name of the work, I think it should be fine. If you want to make the difference even clearer, though, Briga-Doomed or Briga Doomed

edited 12th Oct '09 11:31:41 AM by Wulf

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Oct 12th 2009 at 12:04:22 PM

It's not a Trope Namer I would pick. "Brigadoon" in my mind refers to "brigadoon genreral" or some military rank like that.

edited 12th Oct '09 12:04:35 PM by Elle

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#13: Oct 12th 2009 at 12:35:29 PM

"I disagree. As long as it's not the exact name of the work, I think it should be fine."

It's not that. It's about mixing up similar words. It's why I renamed "Morale Event Horizon".

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#14: Oct 12th 2009 at 1:33:30 PM

I think Brigadoomed (or better yet, wiki word it as Briga Doomed) is sufficiently different from Brigadoon. Three letters different, and I think readers will more easily see the Doomed pun, because the alternative is "Brigadooned", which doesn't make any more sense than "New Yorked" or "Londoned".

And yeah, for some reason I always thought a Brigadoon was related to a Brigadier.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#15: Oct 12th 2009 at 1:52:32 PM

"mix up similar words" is hit or miss on whether it's a good (or at least sucessfull) argument against a name. Case in point, Nice Job Breaking It, Herod.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
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#17: Oct 13th 2009 at 8:53:04 AM

As a voice of public ignorance (aka, I couldn't for the love of God remember what the musical/film was about, only the title), a title that alluded a bit more strongly to the trope contents would be nice.

Timed Village?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#18: Oct 13th 2009 at 5:49:22 PM

I only know about Brigadoon because of a one-like joke on Veronica Mars.

AuraSeer Since: Jan, 2001
#19: Oct 13th 2009 at 11:39:21 PM

How about The Brigadoon? We have a precedent of using "The" to indicate a universal trope named after one of its instances. For example, The Rashomon is a storytelling style, and Rashomon is the work that famously used it.

MetaFour AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN from A Place (Old Master)
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#20: Oct 14th 2009 at 12:25:04 AM

That convention is generally used solely for character types. I think The Rashomon is only there because it predates that particular pseudo-policy.

SomeGuy Some Guy from totally uncool town Since: Jan, 2001
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#21: Oct 14th 2009 at 9:44:41 AM

If we're going to insist on making a play off the word Brigadoon we have to go with Brigadoomed or some sort of variant. Absent the pun, the name of the play really doesn't have anything going for it.

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AuraSeer Since: Jan, 2001
#22: Oct 14th 2009 at 12:31:13 PM

Okay then. If we're not going to reference the musical by exact name, I think we should avoid trying to shoehorn in a pun or intentional misspelling. Cramming that sort of thing where it's not obvious just makes a trope hard to understand.

Plus, Brigadoom is the title of a Lexx episode.

The word "doom" itself might invite confusion with Doomed Hometown, but the tropes are distinct enough to make that only a minor consideration.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#23: Oct 14th 2009 at 6:00:08 PM

Plus, Brigadoom is the title of a Lexx episode.
Based on Brigadoon.

Lupine_Volt Lupine_Volt from No dice, stalkers. Since: Jan, 2001
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#24: Oct 21st 2009 at 5:45:05 PM

I've gotta agree. Maybe "Into the Mists" because the towns themselves vanish...generally into mists and fogs.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#25: Oct 21st 2009 at 7:30:42 PM

—>Plus, Brigadoom is the title of a Lexx episode.

Single episode titles don't fall under the "tropes matching names of works" rule.


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