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Meaning either their parents would follow them around to Vanish their poop all the way until they are 14, or they just left the shit everywhere.
Recall that Hogwarts was founded in 993 A.D.
Hundreds of students have been shitting in the halls of Hogwarts for centuries.
Being the janitor at that place must have been one of the worst jobs ever.
Edited by M84 on Jan 8th 2019 at 9:57:37 PM
So they learned it earlier back then or they got someone else (most likely house elves) to do it?
Really hoping they at least used chamber pots.
Edited by Cross on Jan 8th 2019 at 10:22:15 AM
That tweet was pretty explicit about them just doing their business wherever.
Maybe that's why traditional Wizard attire is a robe.
Edit: Fortunately it seems like young magic users in the past were allowed to Vanish their own shit. The law banning underage magic use didn't come into effect until 1875, long after they finally started using plumbing.
Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Underage Sorcery
Of course, that still leaves the odor. Hogwarts must have smelled awful.
Edited by M84 on Jan 8th 2019 at 10:33:10 PM
The older I get, the more obvious it is that being a Muggle is way better than being a Wizard. We went to the fucking moon and don't walk around shitting our pants.
Harry Potter is also a setting where you can't have the best of both worlds either since magic screws up electronics.
The first magic users and muggles (it'd presumably have to be a team effort) who figure out a way to work around this to create true Magitek will become very wealthy people.
Edited by M84 on Jan 8th 2019 at 11:50:28 PM
Doesn't that only apply to places with high concentrations of magic like Hogwarts? Don't think the average wizard or muggle home would have that issue. The lack of Magitek seems more like a issue of few people bothering, they seem to a least be capable of retrofitting vehicles with magic and I think Arthur has a landline in the Burrow.
An individual magic user might be able to have wifi in their home without any issue, but if they had some other magic user friends over for a visit that might short things out.
It still sucks if the only way magic users can use a smartphone is if they avoid other magic users.
A landline and a beaten up old car is one thing. I somehow doubt that the Weasleys would be able to keep an Alexa in the Burrow.
I recall that Harry Dresden has an even more drastic version of the problem. He and other magic users screw up electronics all by themselves — he can't even use a modern fridge and forget computers.
Edited by M84 on Jan 9th 2019 at 12:18:03 AM
Yep, Harry Potter and Harry Dresden both have entries under Walking Techbane; Dresden's is quite extensive.
Dresden is different in that it only applies to human magic users and not anything else. Even someone who used to be human can freely use smartphones and such after their transformation.
Even worse, the Walking Techbane thing is just the latest manifestation of human magic users' general tendency to mess up reality around them.
One recurring theme in The Dresden Files is that it kind of sucks to be a mage.
One other thing that Dresden Files and Harry Potter have in common (besides the main characters being named Harry) is that magic politics are shit.
Since the techbane stuff in Harry Potter's verse is due to the magics used to maintain The Masquerade, it may be entirely possible for magic and technology to be integrated someday. They just have to abandon The Masquerade and live openly among the rest of the population.
Edited by M84 on Jan 9th 2019 at 1:23:37 AM
Something that suddenly popped up into mind:
Both Grindelwald and Voldemort are more or less considered among the most powerful dark wizards in history, but is this just due to their relatively global impact at the time rather than raw power and skill?
With the first Harry Potter books and apparel came the first Chocolate Frog Cards and I remember some ancient wizards with far more impressive feats to their name. Made me wonder if there were people and things far worse than the two we know, but due to various reasons never managed to make it big so to speak.
The accounts of ancient Dark Lords' accomplishments are most certainly embellished. A story became a legend, a legend became a myth and so on. It's also probably because Grindewald and Voldemort are the most recent ones and the damage they've done is still felt.
Edited by Millership on Jan 9th 2019 at 8:48:05 PM
It's pretty clear that Voldemort employed deliberate intimidation tactics to scare the shit out of the populace. A huge part of his power was the Wizarding World's fear of him. It helped that he was also a genuinely very powerful and dangerous Dark Wizard whom only Dumbledore could face in a straight-up duel.
And Voldemort did have at least one very impressive magical achievement to his name: an unaided Flight spell.
Edited by M84 on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:00:08 PM
Now you see I do think there might be something of a case in-universe presentism here as well. I mean none of what I thought of has any canon confirmation anywhere, but seems a bit daft that modern wizards would somehow be the strongest ones in history.
Like that one guy in a card who apparently could summon a giant Patronus with just his hand and no wand (or other catalyst). The system of magic is soft as melted butter in Harry Potter, so I've just always wondered could the Wizarding World forgotten things (sometimes intentionally) or that certain skills simply atrophied in the community due to lack of use.
Edited by TerminusEst on Jan 9th 2019 at 7:07:35 AM
Magical education seems to favor more practical and efficient uses of magic and less pure spectacle and power. Also, remember that most of the magic we see in the series is done by children and teenagers.
We rarely ever get any actual glimpses of what fully grown and trained adult Wizards and Witches can do when they don't hold back.
Also, a giant Patronus isn't particularly practical. A Patronus of just about any size can repel Dementors, so why bother with making a huge one?
And don't forget that the only people who get onto the cards are the ones who stand out as legendary. I'm fairly sure "Giant Patronus" guy was considered extraordinary in his time too.
Edited by M84 on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:21:10 PM
I don't think it was ever said why he did it, just that he could. Shame that the history hasn't been more fleshed out.
For all we know that's why he did it. To prove that he could.
Considering a Patronus is the embodiment of happy thoughts, this guy was likely The Pollyanna.
Edited by M84 on Jan 9th 2019 at 11:26:07 PM
I'm surprised there are not more dinosaur patronusses. Or ones of mythical or fictional creatures.
Edited by Redmess on Jan 9th 2019 at 4:39:59 PM
Found him, Andros the Invincible. Loved that card.
Suddenly got this idea of a wizard showing off and BAM Sahara was a desert.
Edited by TerminusEst on Jan 9th 2019 at 7:40:32 AM
The "Behind the Scenes" note points out that a Patronus' size does not affect its actual evil repelling power.
So maybe he really did make it that big just to show off.
I somehow doubt Wizarding society keeps up to date with paleontology.
They probably wouldn't even get the dinosaurs right — I bet a Velociraptor Patronus wouldn't even have feathers.
Edited by M84 on Jan 10th 2019 at 12:14:13 AM
I hate to come to this conclusion, but I really do think Rowling is desperately trying to stay relevant with all these "revelations."
I can definitely see that. She had the relative misfortune of starting her career with her wildly succesful magnum opus. Her later works have not been nearly as succesful as that one greatest hit.
Rowling is effectively treating Harry Potter as her own One-Hit Wonder.
It's Child Star Syndrome, except for an adult, and without the drugs.
Did Voldemort ever extend his influence beyond the British Isles? (Besides that one voyage to the continent to off Grindelwald in his tower.) He hid all of his Horcruxes somewhere in Britain, his goal within the scope of the books was to take over the British Ministry for Magic. Hermione considered her parents to be safe from him in Australia. All of the protagonists are also British, so their perspective on him is what we see, but what about the rest of the wizarding world? Was he feared for what he might do, or was he just considered a big fish in a small pond?
Grindelwald in his prime was a major behind-the-scenes influence on World War II. Voldemort just terrorized a few thousand people on an island.
Note that he hid the Horcruxes in Britain because he chose places that were of personal significance to him in his past or he entrusted them to servants.
I seem to recall Rowling saying that Voldemort was focused on taking over Britain first. After that, who knows? We don't know if he was courting any sympathetic European wizards like the identity they invented for Ron in the Gringotts break-in, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
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