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lycropath Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Jun 11th 2019 at 9:45:49 PM

Braig is a new vessel (and one of many that he has taken through generations) that Luxu aquired according to his report, so there likely was a Braig before Luxu went and took his meatsuit on a joy ride.

Edited by lycropath on Jun 11th 2019 at 9:47:26 AM

InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Jun 12th 2019 at 1:16:34 AM

[up][up]At this point there's far less 'Stuff built up for years' and more 'A bunch of stuff has been vague and ill-defined for years and we're getting a shrug 'I guess that kind of works?" eventually.

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Exposition Dragon
Jun 12th 2019 at 7:11:55 AM

...

Y'know, given that Luxu body-jacked Braig. Like. We've seen this kinda thing before. Xehanort body-jacked Terra twice and Fake Ansem body-jacked Riku. It's an established metaphysic.

But.

Like.

That does indicate that Braig's Heart exists somewhere. The real Braig. Either imprisoned within like Terra or booted out the door like Riku, but he exists somewhere. At least, you'd think he does.

It's weird that Braig and Luxu didn't recomplete separately like Xehanort and Terra.

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
AzurePaladin The Blue Knight from The Feywild Relationship Status: Mu
The Blue Knight
Jun 12th 2019 at 7:23:07 AM

[up] I took it to mean that Luxu didn't body-jack a man named Braig so much as that he had to reincarnate or use Emergency Shapeshifting or something like that. Braig is Luxu and Luxu is Braig, he just needed to change his appearance over time as he dodged death.

Would also explain how he lost the keyblade, if he trained an apprentice early and then just kinda shadowed it for a while.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
Jun 12th 2019 at 9:27:29 AM

I don't recall, I think it was implied that Luxu body-hops rather than illusioning up some new bodies or whatever? Terranort tells us that immortality isn't just something anyone can get.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
TheAirman from Congratulations! Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Jun 12th 2019 at 9:47:09 AM

From Secret Report 12

And now, Keybladeless, I must depart this land to fulfill my final task. This means casting my own body aside and sojourning my heart in vessel after vesselóas many as it takes.

And 13

It seems this body, this name will be my last. The lives I have lived over the ages could fill volumes, but for now I must focus on what matters most.

Luxu has basically been doing the Orochimaru thing, but without it sucking, is my understanding

PSN ID: FateSeraph Congratulations!
Jun 12th 2019 at 11:29:35 AM

It's spooky how he did it without the magic heart key.

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Exposition Dragon
Jun 12th 2019 at 12:09:19 PM

I figure he's able to do that for the same reason that Merlin and Pete don't have to follow Xehanort's convoluted time travel rules.

Xehanort just. Sorta. Sucks.

At, like, life.

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
Jun 12th 2019 at 12:22:15 PM

I would very much like it if that was the canon explanation. "Yeah it's really not that hard if you know how to do it, the old coot was just a scrub".

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
AzurePaladin The Blue Knight from The Feywild Relationship Status: Mu
The Blue Knight
Jun 12th 2019 at 7:42:47 PM

Replaying Kingdom Hearts I. Going to say, I'm enjoying the flexibility in the order in which I can do things.

I have to go to Wonderland now, though, because the game barricaded the Traverse Town bell tower with indestructible crates. After all, Hollow Bastion needs Alice, otherwise Malificent's plan has a gaping hole in it.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Formerly G.G.
Jun 12th 2019 at 8:04:19 PM

[up] Indeed.

[up][up] Does that mean Xehanort is suffering a case of Villain Decay, Badass Decay or was he ever even a "threat" to begin with?

"Known for preying upon ships at sea, which they surround and subdue with powerful paralysis spells."
Weirdguy149 Your worst nightmare from The back of your mind Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Your worst nightmare
Jun 12th 2019 at 8:09:40 PM

I'm thinking it's a "Frieza from late Dragon Ball Z to Resurrection: F" scenario where a bunch of characters from earlier in history are much more powerful than he is.

Itís me. Huh huh huh huh...
HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
Yes, mancubi are people too.
Jun 12th 2019 at 8:14:18 PM

I actually think Xehanort might very well be stronger than Xigbar/Luxu. There are a number of places where the latter displays fear and surprise toward the former that did NOT look like acting.

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Jun 12th 2019 at 8:15:42 PM

Yeah I don't expect Luxu to reach final boss tier. That's probably reserved for Mom.

Jun 12th 2019 at 8:33:25 PM

Luxu doesn't have a Keyblade which is Game-Breaker in power. Xehanort does.

Of course he'd be afraid.

deludedmusings Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Jun 12th 2019 at 8:37:43 PM

People really stan hard for Luxu.

Holding a grudge is allowing someone to live inside your head rent free.
Jun 12th 2019 at 8:39:32 PM

Having some skill in areas that don't require a Keyblade would certainly be beneficial. Sounds like Luxu has skill in bodyjacking that Xehanort lacks and nedds a keyblade for.

Xehanort got lucky he became amnesiac and actually got some non Keyblade related expertise in science and not basing everything he does off false history.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 12th 2019 at 8:40:18 AM

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
Jun 12th 2019 at 8:47:10 PM

I mean, Luxu is entertaining, has a dash of sympathy, and was playing Master Xehanort (a character that no few people consider a Karma Houdini Villain Sue) for a fool the entire time. That does endear a character to an audience.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
Yes, mancubi are people too.
Jun 12th 2019 at 8:53:44 PM

To me at least it seemed less like outright manipulation and more piggybacking off someone else whose schemes happened to dovetail with his own. Luxu's true personality seen at the very end doesn't even seem particularly malevolent.

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
Jun 12th 2019 at 9:07:24 PM

He was smart enough to play himself as a fool that Xehanort completely bought it. Even when telling it to the Norts faces how he has its own plans you can't help but think Xehanort going "Sure you do" in his head just to show how Xigbar barely hiding it still works because of Xehanorts hubris.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 12th 2019 at 9:07:57 AM

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Exposition Dragon
Jun 13th 2019 at 7:20:47 AM

Luxu With Keyblade should probably be more formidable than Xehanort, as should any Foreteller With Keyblade.

But Xehanort can absolutely take Luxu With No Keyblade in a fight. Pretty much without question. As noted, Keyblades are GameBreakers. A dipshit child who's had a Keyblade for like a week was able to hand savage beatings to the likes of Jafar, Ursula, and Maleficent. Having or not having a Keyblade makes a huge difference in how formidable a character is.

Which is why Luxu was actually intimidated by and afraid of Xehanort at times. He was using Xehanort to achieve his own agenda, but that agenda wouldn't mean shit if Xehanort flat-out murdered him. He had to play his cards carefully.

Hell, at one point, Terranort even does murder him!

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 13th 2019 at 8:22:50 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Jun 13th 2019 at 12:03:28 PM

Braig being a separate person who Luxu hijacked or replaced at some point would make mariginally more sense, because it's pretty strongly implied that Braig has a long past in Radiant Garden. He's supposedly one of the resident scientist-king's close apprentices and, judging by his uniform, a member of his personal guard. That suggests that realistically he's been in Radiant Garden for at least a few years, probably longer. I'm not sure Luxu on his own would have any reason to be hanging around there for that long just waiting for Xehanort or Terra to show up.

I continue to severely dislike the reveal of Luxu as Xigbar/Braig, though, because it's doubling down on one of my least favourite writing tropes in all of fiction: That of trying to make your new villain seem impressive by retroactively downgrading the previous villain into a pawn and his plans into a mere stepping stone. The series has done this before; by retconning Ansem and Xemnas's respective plots into mere stepping stones to fulfilling Xehanort's plans. It was lame and lazy then, because it's a writing trick aimed at making your current story seem grander by degrading what came before it rather than actually putting in the work of individually writing it as grander. It's still lame and lazy now, only it's worse because it's on an even larger scale.

If the intention is to build Luxu up as some grand master manipulator, it also falls flat on its face because it's been made abundantly clear that Xigbar has no control over anything Xehanort does. Xehanort doing the things that Luxu needs him to do is not up to some master plan on his part, it's basically just dumb luck. Luxu's not The Chessmaster, he's a guy who has literally read ahead in the script and knows that if he just wears out the clock he gets to be the main villain in the next game.

Edited by DrDougsh on Jun 13th 2019 at 12:04:50 PM

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Exposition Dragon
Jun 13th 2019 at 12:05:44 PM

It's not shonen if they aren't going "LOL what a loser that last arc's bad guy was, amirite?"

Poor Maleficent especially just keeps getting dogpiled by this. With each new villain who's badder than the dude who's badder than the dude who's badder than the dude who's badder than her, she just becomes more and more pathetic. It's kinda cruel to keep your tutorial villain hanging around to constantly be reminded of how ineffectual she is in the face of the ever-escalating threats.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jun 13th 2019 at 1:08:43 PM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Jun 13th 2019 at 12:12:55 PM

I'm beginning to think shonen probably isn't for me.

That said, I'm not opposed to Serial Escalation. I have a problem with this because this is fake escalation. To elaborate, objectively Xehanort's plan in KHIII is not really that much "grander" or more epic than Ansem or Xemnas's plan. The series creates the illusion that it is by retroactively declaring that Ansem and Xemnas's plans were part of Master Xehanort's plan all along, retroactively making them less important than they seemed at the time.

Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Jun 13th 2019 at 1:36:48 PM

I've seen a good few battle shounen with better writing than KH lol

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.

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