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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#106101: Dec 3rd 2015 at 6:10:04 PM

Each time you enter a regular Drive Form, it adds to an invisible counter that increases your chances of going Anti. When that happens, the counter resets to zero.

Sooo spam Drives against mobs for a while before you fight the boss?

[nja][nja]

edited 3rd Dec '15 6:10:24 PM by Perseus

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#106102: Dec 3rd 2015 at 6:11:57 PM

Going into Anti form doesn't reset the counter, it decreases it by 4. The only resets come from getting new Drive forms during the story.

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#106103: Dec 3rd 2015 at 6:12:26 PM

Oh, my mistake. surprised

I was just running off what I remembered from playing 2 several months ago, so...

edited 3rd Dec '15 6:13:05 PM by Perseus

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#106104: Dec 3rd 2015 at 6:14:04 PM

The game tells you shit about it; I got the info from the wiki.

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#106105: Dec 3rd 2015 at 6:15:01 PM

Well, yeah. I also looked it up on the wiki... several months ago. tongue

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106106: Dec 3rd 2015 at 6:15:24 PM

In the context of the story Anti-Form might as well not exist.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#106107: Dec 3rd 2015 at 6:22:06 PM

There is only one in-game reference to Anti-Form, in the Three Fairies' room. There are various covered mirrors that hint at the various Drive Forms ("You see an image of yourself using your magic to the fullest", "You see an image of yourself fighting as you once did"), and there is one that says "You see an image of yourself consumed by darkness". That's it.

Anti-Form has a hidden counter that increases each time you get into a Drive Form, and decreases when you get into Anti. So if you just got it, you're not likely to get it again very soon. Also, you cannot go into Anti-Form while selecting Final Form. In FM+, there is a specific Keyblade (obtained after fighting Roxas, I believe), called Two Become One, whose ability makes it so you can only get Anti or Final Forms. Useful if you wanna unlock Final Form or have a hankering for Anti, not much else.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#106108: Dec 3rd 2015 at 6:24:45 PM

Since there's an Anti Form, could there be Anti Summon as well? Something like summoning a gigantic Heartless that attacks everything in the area; you and your party included.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#106109: Dec 3rd 2015 at 6:40:08 PM

they're not quite the same thing.

drives represent sora combining aspects of himself with other people, i.e donald, goofy and roxas. anti-form existing also represents an aspect of him.

a summon is just sora calling someone to help him out.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#106110: Dec 3rd 2015 at 7:04:08 PM

That said, summoning a neoshadow or something would be rad.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#106111: Dec 3rd 2015 at 7:25:16 PM

It's also worth mentioning that, unlike the normal Drives, Anti can't activate if you aren't fighting anything.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
DamascaRamza (Ancient one)
#106112: Dec 3rd 2015 at 7:48:21 PM

Plus Final Form reduces the counter by 10 everytime it's used, so it's impossible to go Anti-Form at the endgame if you use Final Form.

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#106113: Dec 3rd 2015 at 7:59:45 PM

  • Sneaks in*

I know most people here said I'd be able to play Kingdom Hearts 2 without having played 1, but I was able to find a reasonably cheap copy of 1.5 HD, so I'll be giving that to myself for Christmas. smile

Although I probably won't follow this thread properly until I'm done with with both main games. So I'll be back in a couple of months.

  • Sneaks Out*

[down]Okay I'll remember that, thanks.

edited 3rd Dec '15 9:29:28 PM by 32ndfreeze

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#106114: Dec 3rd 2015 at 8:15:35 PM

Um...you...might want to also play Chain of Memories. This isn't a series where you can really get away with just playing the numbered games.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#106115: Dec 3rd 2015 at 10:16:01 PM

I think I tried more than once to get through Chain of Memories and finally gave up - not a fan of the card battle stuff. But I did get a number of the important points (basically it sets up a lot of the antagonists and the fate of the main characters going into II).

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#106116: Dec 4th 2015 at 4:28:50 AM

Maybe watch a LP, or at least a cutscene compendium? It's important. And not too long.

(and really fun but not for everyone I guess)

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#106117: Dec 4th 2015 at 6:21:37 AM

This video has all the story relevant cutscenes from both modes. It's over two hours but that's significantly less time than it would take to play the game.

edited 4th Dec '15 6:21:49 AM by Kostya

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#106118: Dec 4th 2015 at 9:20:47 AM

aaaaaaaah aaaaaaaaaaah

It so cuuuuuuuuuuuuuute

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#106119: Dec 4th 2015 at 10:12:55 AM

Always thought the manga was a little too cutesy for my tastes. The series is for the most part lighthearted (pun unintentional) and I like it that way, but the manga's art style takes it too far.

Might eventually read the Days manga, though, since the Disney worlds get expanded on.

edited 4th Dec '15 10:13:32 AM by Karxrida

MarkIV Alchemist from Fewwawi Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Not war
Alchemist
#106120: Dec 4th 2015 at 11:05:32 AM

I love the characterisation in the manga.

Life is more fun with infinite MP.
ScottPilgrim2013 Why aren't you laughing? from Arkham Asylum Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Why aren't you laughing?
#106121: Dec 4th 2015 at 12:40:18 PM

I ought to reread the manga again. I read the entirity of the KH, Co M, and the first two volumes of it back in late elementry/early middle school and then kind of forgot about them cause I never could find a copy of KH 2 Vol. 3 available for sale in the States.

@Anti Form I never knew why this form was so hated until I fought Terra's Armor and that stupid form popped up.

And I was doing so well too.sad

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#106122: Dec 4th 2015 at 4:04:42 PM

Anti could be interesting if you could control its activation completely, but even then I doubt it would be worth it.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#106123: Dec 4th 2015 at 7:16:12 PM

My main problem with it is...well...

...ok, not that violently. But they put so much stuff in the Drive system that encourages you to use it - a leveling system for it, an ability that turns it into a reaction command, the fact that it's given to you by people Sora trusts and powered by his friends, then never warn of the downside or have the characters freak out when it happens? Just "haha, gotcha"? That's a terrible design choice. If they played up the fact that it's a risk, that wouldn't be so bad.

The first time it happened to me I was in Timeless River so I thought it was an artifact of the black and white world. (Also, those car Heartless from the burning building mission can wreck me no mater what.)

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#106124: Dec 4th 2015 at 7:18:11 PM

Actually, the game does tell you about it. Do you remember all of those mirrors in Yen Sid's tower where Sora got the new clothes? Those mirrors foreshadow every Drive Form, including Anti.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#106125: Dec 4th 2015 at 7:26:10 PM

Those are about as informative as the book Yen Sid makes Sora read unless you don't know about all drive forms beforehand, in which case they don't tell anything you don't already know.

edited 4th Dec '15 7:26:28 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."

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