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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#2451: Apr 24th 2011 at 8:38:38 PM

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...Tomoe-san...your hair...IT IS SHAPED LIKE DRILLS. :D

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#2452: Apr 24th 2011 at 8:38:51 PM

-shrug- I guess.

Also, you're looking for double brackets.

what I meant is that what you call empty is another person's depth. What doesn't affect you, might bring another person's to his knees. So stating your opinions as if they were objective facts is not...what you might say, polite. Although I can't think of a better word.

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#2453: Apr 24th 2011 at 8:41:17 PM

I can't think of what word you could possibly mean, Juan. I certainly don't think this is at all rude. I do hope he doesn't not mean that his opinions are fact though. I do not think he does anyway...ALL I CAN DO IS HOPE HE DOESN'T.

-insert fangirling about Mami here-

edited 24th Apr '11 8:41:32 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
WORLDTree Since: Dec, 1969
#2454: Apr 24th 2011 at 8:41:28 PM

I fixed them

And once again, where did I say that? In the initial post I even opened with "For me", where did I try to claim the opinions I posted were objective fact?

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#2455: Apr 24th 2011 at 8:41:57 PM

And he's not. ALL IS WELL AND GOOD IN THE WORLD.

This discussion is fun.

-more fangirling-

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#2456: Apr 24th 2011 at 8:42:01 PM

Yeah, disregard my above post.

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
Together Forever...
#2457: Apr 24th 2011 at 8:42:10 PM

Oh come on, can't you at least come up with reasons that aren't objectively wrong? I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, but when backing it up, at least attempt to make sense

1.) Everything in the show is so excruciatingly bland, and by that I mean scenes are either washed out in blinding white or dipped in black, it makes everything look like pastels used incorrectly.

Completely untrue. Madoka Magica has, in fact, some of the best use of color I've seen in anime in quite some time. Different settings have their own palette, whether it be Madoka's house, the various Witch barriers, the school, an alleyway, wherever it is, it feels like a distinct location.

2.) Characters make no sense and motivation for events are extremely contrived or rushed making them have no effect i.e. the Double Suicide was rushed and given like five minutes of justification, and to me felt like just another way to kill off characters.

This feels like you wanting to be spoonfed explanations, and not wanting to spend time examining why things happened. The event you mentioned did not come out of nowhere, in fact, people had predicted it as a possibility at least two episodes beforehand.

3.) It's every basic drama element pasted onto a Magical Girl setting.

Examples, please.

4.) I severely dislike the jerky paper animation scenes the show likes to use so much.

So you only watched, what, 3 episodes? Since Gertrude's barrier was the only one to use that to any great extent.

5.) The show is filled with empty philosophy and fake hidden meanings.

Again, examples, please.

WORLDTree Since: Dec, 1969
#2458: Apr 24th 2011 at 8:58:47 PM

Who's trying to claim objective fact in opinions now?

1.) The show uses lots of color but all the color is made dull and looks like soft pastels, in the day all the structures have light streaming through them because apparently they are made entirely out of glass, and everything looks even more washed out then before, during night everything is made exceptionally dark, because it's night.

Notice how nowhere did I complain about how distinct the settings are.

2.) Speaking of putting words in people's mouth, nowhere did I say I wanted a clear straight up explanation, and the complaint was about how the show had such a flimsy justification for it.

For one it starts after they find out the truth about the soul gems when Kyoko and Sayaka talk in the church complete with jerky paper animation backstory, then proceeds to her suddenly caring about Sayaka's mental state and then the double suicide, it's not that there's no hint or justification, just that it's a very poor one, I know why it happens I just don't think the why was very good.

3.)Dying alone, Dying with no one to remember you, Fighting unappreciated, Early Mentor Death, Too Much Responsibility, Ends justify the means, Humans are selfish, Becoming the Monster, Impending Apocalypse

4.) I watched all of them, and see number 2

5.) All the crap about "Souls" and "I'm a shell/husk/zombie" and the Soul Gems

SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
Together Forever...
#2459: Apr 24th 2011 at 9:02:28 PM

1) This makes very little sense, but whatever, not going to argue with you about color palettes.

2) You appear to have missed...basically every bit of character development that Kyouko went through. Did you bother to pay attention to her backstory (which while done with "paper cutouts" was not particularly jerky), and then her final discussion with Madoka?

3) Show uses tropes. News at 11.

4) Meh

5) None of those are "Empty Philosophy" and the meanings of them are anything but hidden.

juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#2460: Apr 24th 2011 at 9:02:31 PM

3.)Dying alone, Dying with no one to remember you, Fighting unappreciated, Early Mentor Death, Too Much Responsibility, Ends justify the means, Humans are selfish, Becoming the Monster, Impending Apocalypse

Yadda yadda, tropes are not bad, Yadda Yadda Yadda, just because they're used with the explicit purpose of augmenting the drama and the stakes is not bad Yadda Yadda Yadda

That's something that's been annoying me as well, I like happy-go-lucky stuff as much as the rest of you, but why do you have to complain so much when a show is dramatic?

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
WORLDTree Since: Dec, 1969
#2461: Apr 24th 2011 at 9:12:09 PM

Because opinions, people like different things and sometimes they don't like the particular elements of a show isn't that part of this thread? Just because Tropes are not Bad doesn't mean I can't dislike the way a trope is used in a particular work.

SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#2462: Apr 24th 2011 at 9:12:54 PM

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Then back it up.

Here's the thing, you can not like Madoka all you want, but if you are going to start arguing for why you don't like it, you can't just go "lol my opinion"

juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#2463: Apr 24th 2011 at 9:13:52 PM

It's not that you can't dislike it, but you seem to dislike the show simply because it's dramatic. All of those tropes are around the idea that thw world isn't a nice beautiful place full of love and advetured to be had.

Does it go against my vision of the world? Fuck yes. Do I like it? Yup.

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#2464: Apr 24th 2011 at 9:16:45 PM

I didn't believe Kyouko's character development either. She's introduced as a lone wolf style character who was almost happy Mami died since she could claim her territory, she and Sayaka spends a couple episodes at each other's throats (Also being the one to initially disillusion Sayaka about Magical Girls), then comes the big Soul Gem revelation and now she's trying to create a rapport with the very girl she was trying to kill not much ealier, an attempt that leads nowhere and leaves both characters still not liking each other, till finally she's willing to suicide during a mercy kill against the same person.

The final episode's afterlife chat with Madoka is fine since it happened after her change in personality, but the transition seemed...a bit unbelievable to me.

edited 24th Apr '11 9:21:35 PM by Spirit

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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
Together Forever...
#2465: Apr 24th 2011 at 9:24:58 PM

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Kyouko and Sayaka spend less than an episode "at each other's throats", hell, after the initial confrontation, Kyouko's heart was no longer really in it. If she wanted to "deal with" Sayaka, she could have done it at any point while stalking Sayaka as Sayaka stalked Kyousuke.

The Kyouko we first meet at the end of episode 4, going into episode 5, the "lone wolf" was just a facade. A mask she'd donned to cope with her situation.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#2466: Apr 25th 2011 at 11:45:02 AM

I've got one:

Rei Ayanami is the biggest Woobie in Neon Genesis Evangelion, and this is largely because she doesn't show it. Something messed up that poor girl bad. Probably Gendo.

So controversial, reportedly even the creator disagrees with it.

juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#2467: Apr 25th 2011 at 11:55:49 AM

It's because Anno intended all the characters to be unpersonable. Or at least, he thinks they are.

that said, I didn't really feel anything for her. Rebuild changed that.

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
Together Forever...
#2468: Apr 25th 2011 at 2:06:17 PM

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Thats not really controversial, despite what Anno's stated intent was.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#2469: Apr 25th 2011 at 2:17:35 PM

[up] I'm not even sure what the source for that statement was, but I've seen it posted on this wiki in several places that Rei was intended to be too creepy to like, and when that failed, they brought in Kaworu (which also failed).

Now, there's a fairly obvious hole in that statement that makes me doubt its authenticity. See if you can spot it!

juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#2470: Apr 25th 2011 at 2:22:04 PM

I don't think that Rei was too creepy to like. It's just simply the fact that her writing was pure bleh incarnated.

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#2471: Apr 25th 2011 at 3:40:10 PM

Vegeta was Dragon Ball Z's best character.

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
Together Forever...
#2472: Apr 25th 2011 at 3:41:56 PM

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Thats like, the opposite of controversial.

juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#2473: Apr 25th 2011 at 3:42:24 PM

that's actually controversial around these parts (Latin America)

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2474: Apr 25th 2011 at 3:49:28 PM

[up] Here in Venezuela, Vegeta is actually quite beloved. You gotta love Rene Garcia's interpretation.

"KAKAROTTO, MALDITO INSECTO...!"

juancarlos11 Since: Aug, 2011
#2475: Apr 25th 2011 at 3:57:52 PM

Oh, here in Colombia he's loved too. But for every one who liked him around here, there's a hater.

And yeah, Rene Garcia's performance was awesome.

KAKAROTO!!

-sigh-

Such good times.

It's not exactly naive. And it can happen. But it's tough. And definetly worthwhile.

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