If we're gonna merge Rated M for Manly and Testosterone Poisoning, the page image and quotes from Testosterone Poisoning take priority.
Seriously, those are made of so, so much win.
If we're gonna merge Rated M for Manly and Testosterone Poisoning, the page image and quotes from Testosterone Poisoning take priority.
Seriously, those are made of so, so much win.
There. Go make the trope. I see no need to overhaul Testosterone Poisoning just to make way for a new trope.
There's no space in the name.I see nothing wrong with the existing tropes. Testosterone Poisoning is Rated M For Manly played for humor. The tropes are distinct enough to warrant separate articles, so I see no need to ax one. Besides, the redirects for Testosterone Poisoning are awesome.
There's no space in the name.Is the act of parodying Rated M for Manly so prolific that it qualifies as a child trope?
Judging by the number of examples, I'd say that's a yes.
edited 1st Nov '10 2:44:12 AM by RocketScience
OP argues that there's a high number of duplicate examples, suggesting it's more The Same But More than an actual Sub-Trope.
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.Then this would need a bit of sorting and write up clean up I don't think it needs any more than that.
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!Judging by the names, I'd say one is a description of a work, the other is a character. Similar to the division between Large Ham and World of Ham.
edited 1st Nov '10 6:47:43 AM by Deboss
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That's not the difference between the two tropes. Testosterone Poisoning is for parodies and Rated M for Manly is for straight examples.
I don't think these tropes should be merged. It seems to work pretty well as is, and there are so many parodies that you'd need to put them under a separate header anyway.
Credits to Slightly Damned for the avatar.I agree it's hard to tell the difference, and the names and pictures of both tropes don't help.
Sure one could argue that the name Testosterone Poisoning is a joke to be poisoned by testosterone, but that in itself does not say "parody". Conversely Rated M for Manly also seems like a spoof name. It's so tongue in cheek that on the ykttw for it, many of us thought it was just a duplicate of Testosterone Poisoning at first.
The pictures are just as bad. The Testosterone Poisoning one doesn't say "parody" at all. It should be on the Rated M for Manly page. Duke Nukem on the other hand is part spoof, but it's on the serious trope page.
edited 1st Nov '10 9:20:55 AM by DragonQuestZ
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.Really? I'd say the pic on Testosterone Poisoning is quite obviously comedically exaggerated. The pic on Rated M for Manly, admittedly, needs to be replaced with a straight example.
What's precedent ever done for us?I got really confused by the difference as soon as I opened 'M for Manly'.
It seems that Testosterone Poisoning is for parodies of "Macho" trends, while M for Manly is for parodies of "Manly" trends as the name suggests, rather than M for Manly being straight examples. That's the only way I can explain many of the examples.
The ones that DO fit the parody/played straight split (something about G Gundam, 300, that kind of thing - they're actually pretty rare, as there are so many parodies on the Rated M for Manly page that even Team America has been included...), they're generally what I would call Testosterone Poisoning. Big and dumb.
Whatever the intentions of it, they're inextricably linked. I think having two pages like this is needlessly confusing, and many of the examples are revealing the subjectivity of Parody.
edited 1st Nov '10 9:58:00 AM by mmysqueeant
The problem goes straight to the fact that miniscule differences between tropes leads to redundant pages because the average editor (regular troper or not) are not always familiar with the particulars. This issue goes right back to the original YKTTW, so Testosterone Poisoning was kind of screwed at the beginning.
Having a seperate page of parody examples is like having a seperate page of subverted examples, it's not how we organize tropes. Both tropes may be used for the proper genre (manly things) but that doesn't mean the general wiki isn't confused over what they are.
edited 1st Nov '10 11:19:38 AM by KJMackley
We do have separate pages for subversions if the example list gets large enough.
Fight smart, not fair.

On a slightly unrelated note, I've made this topic before
but it's listing in the trope repair shop and any forum searching engine seems to indicate it has been lost to the Data Vampires. An easy copy-paste from hitting the back button and...
Currently, there is not actual difference between Testosterone Poisoning and Rated M for Manly. The official dividing line is that Rated M For Manly is manliness played straight and Testosterone Poisoning is the parody of it, but that is an awfully arbitrary seperation (see Poe's Law). And it seems that quite a few examples are being shared between them so it isn't so obvious which is which.
Rated M for Manly should be anything that is manly, be it parodied, played straight or subverted, that's what the Playing With Wiki is about. I think Testosterone Poisoning should be about two guys having an excessively heated arguing over: a girl, who is right, who is superior, etc. Basically a clash of ego's.
I can already list a few examples, none of which would ever go into Rated M for Manly:
edited 10th Sep '10 12:38:14 AM by KJMackley