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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#15026: Mar 13th 2025 at 9:25:59 PM

TBF, the Ride Armor is pretty much an unbeatable advantage for Vile in the first game. Even after X gets his upgrades, he still can't defeat the Ride Armor on his own. It takes Zero's sacrifice to get rid of it.

It's a bit of Gameplay and Story Integration. The few times X gets to use a Ride Armor in the first game, it's also pretty unstoppable.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2025 at 12:26:35 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#15027: Mar 13th 2025 at 9:38:58 PM

On the topic of Ride Armors, it's also really neat that by X3, X is capable of singlehandedly fighting Vile in a ride armor then him back to back, TWICE, despite the visual upgrade Vile's new Ride Armors have.

Really shows how much X has left Vile in the dust.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/raf360x360075tfafafa_ca443f4786u1.jpg

Seriously, look at this thing.

One of the reasons I want Maverick Hunter X3 is see Vile's reaction to how much X has grown, because that guy would have a breakdown.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 14th 2025 at 12:39:26 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#15028: Mar 13th 2025 at 9:40:46 PM

It shows how much stronger X has become both physically and mentally. His combat abilities have improved so much that Vile is barely a speed bump even with Ride Armor.

The later X games really go out of their way to make the player feel as powerful as possible once they get X's full armor.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2025 at 12:41:34 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#15029: Mar 13th 2025 at 9:52:35 PM

On X's power level and potential, I do wonder how Maverick Hunter would have developed that whole plot point because it's really interesting to me that X's power is really secondary to his ability to worry and feel which is what allows X his limitless growth, that's the thing Sigma is most interested in. Zero doesn't interest Sigma the same way X does. Zero would be at best a pawn for Sigma to use, but Maverick Hunter X emphasizes that X and his empathy is the key to the evolution that Sigma believes is key to the growth of Reploids.

I guess the MHA series would have made it clear that Reploids still have limits to their sapience and free will in later installments.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#15030: Mar 13th 2025 at 10:28:27 PM

Zero does have similar potential but only by complete accident.

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CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#15031: Mar 13th 2025 at 10:44:53 PM

A friend of mine was finally able to get me the Megaman Battle collection for my birthday last month, so I can finally start my Netbattling days in earnest! Its been a few years but I believe online pvp shouldnt be hard to find these days, and theres plenty of resources on how to deckbuild. I loved this series but ironically I only ever played Falzar and Gregar, so itll be nice to have context for everything else the franchise has to offer.

Darkflamewolf Since: Apr, 2013
#15032: Mar 14th 2025 at 1:40:09 AM

I'm thinking about getting into playing the Megaman X8 Demake. Has anyone played that? In terms of difficulty comparison, what other Megaman game would you compare it to?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#15033: Mar 14th 2025 at 1:43:05 AM

I just finished it. It's not that hard, I'd compare it to X4 in terms of difficulty. Def easier than Mega Man 9.

It's a fun time, def recommend it. [tup]

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#15034: Mar 14th 2025 at 4:52:47 AM

I had a personal WMG that Rock was 'gimped' during MM 9 because his main combat body was confiscated by the authorities so he had to uparmor and upgun one of his spare Rock chassis and didn't have the parts to improvise the slide or the full-spec Mega Buster.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#15035: Mar 14th 2025 at 4:56:57 AM

I think it’s canon that Rock removes all of his combat upgrades and copied weapons between games. The manga explains that otherwise Rock starts going mad with power. He just isn’t built to handle that many weapons permanently.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2025 at 7:57:25 PM

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#15036: Mar 14th 2025 at 6:37:23 AM

X8 remake would have been a must-play for me if there was a chance to play as Zero in the same exact vein as X4.

Edited by leafsaber47 on Mar 14th 2025 at 9:37:29 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#15037: Mar 14th 2025 at 6:37:47 AM

I think there's a mod for that actually. Let me check.

Ah, it's only a test build.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 14th 2025 at 9:38:40 PM

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#15038: Mar 14th 2025 at 6:43:31 AM

The Archie comic had it so that copying too many powers also had him go mad with power. I think it may have been Wily's code slowly building up in his system or something. Either way, by the time he got to Heat Man he was 100% OK with murder.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Mar 14th 2025 at 6:43:44 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#15039: Mar 14th 2025 at 6:47:49 AM

The Archie storyline for the first game had Mega Man just go mad with power naturally instead of being a virus, to the point he was getting into a shouting match with Roll, which caused him a lot of regret and so he volunteered to have his upgrades taken from him after each adventure to prevent it.

It makes sense, he was a peaceful lab assistant bot so becoming a war machine would cause some power trips.

[up] Yeah it was a Wily plot in the second game because he accounted for Mega Man winning again and planned accordingly.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 14th 2025 at 9:50:23 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#15040: Mar 14th 2025 at 7:15:07 AM

It doesn’t help that the Buster Arm itself was already more firepower than a lab assistant bot would need.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#15041: Mar 14th 2025 at 7:22:26 AM

I do suspect that explanation in the comics was a reason for why Light was worried X might go rogue and had the ethical testing done.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/comic746.png

But I do love the old webcomics joking about how Light handled the whole thing.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#15042: Mar 14th 2025 at 7:26:50 AM

In fairness, IIRC X was put into a chamber that was basically designed to prove he was safe, but doing so would take longer than Light had to live.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#15043: Mar 14th 2025 at 7:28:27 AM

I actually wonder what Light's plan was supposed to be when the 30 years of testing was done, because X ended up sealed away longer than expected.

It was really lucky that the benevolent Dr. Cain found him, not like an evil tech bro or something.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#15044: Mar 14th 2025 at 7:30:35 AM

I think Light just hoped X would be able to make his own way in life after waking up.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2025 at 10:30:52 PM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#15045: Mar 14th 2025 at 7:33:36 AM

There was a fanfic where Roll was supposed to monitor X after Light’s death but some beancounter had Roll decommissioned to save money on maintenance

Ain’t it sad, fanfic Roll?

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 14th 2025 at 7:33:52 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#15046: Mar 14th 2025 at 8:57:26 AM

[up]I was just thinking of that fic.

Yeah. It's super sad. It also makes sense. Light would want to ensure X wasn't alone, and since Rock and Blues wouldn't be there (why weren't they there in the fanfic? I can't really remember), Roll was the logical choice.

Well, I guess there was Auto, but nobody cares about Auto.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#15047: Mar 14th 2025 at 9:21:13 AM

Maybe Auto was mauled to death by Tango

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#15048: Mar 14th 2025 at 3:13:50 PM

@ Red Hunter: What's the name of that sprite comic you got that from?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#15049: Mar 14th 2025 at 3:34:51 PM

MS Paint Masterpieces. Started out as a silly webcomic like Bob and George, but by the time it got to Mega Man 2, it started getting serious, and even combined the plot of Mega Man 2 with the gameboy one, so Quint was involved.

I find it pretty interesting how it characterizes Dr. Wily. The webcomic's version of the character is one of the most evil versions of him, even compared to the Ruby Spears version.

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#15050: Mar 14th 2025 at 3:50:53 PM

So, if Mega Man X9 does get made, what should the ideal plot be about?

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