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slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Mar 14th 2019 at 4:40:54 AM

Man though was Dante really willing to end it. You can just feel how frustrated he is with Vergilís bullshit. Like seriously the guy had already come to terms with his brotherís death, he grieved over his loss, his accidentally killing of him, his horrid fate, & the fact they never got to truly patch things through. He grieved but he moved on & he then found some measure of peace & fufilliment in taking care of Nero as a way to atone for all that happened between the two of them.

Now some odd 20 years later Vergil is back & whatís the first thing he does? He tears off a manís arm (the fact it was his son regardless of whether he knew made it worse) & then kickstarted the worst demon invasion yet with entire scores of innocent people butchered to be used as fuel as apart of another one of Vergilís Might makes Right schemes.

It doesnít matter that that technically Urizen destroyed the city, it can still be traced back to Vergil himself & so Dante is sick & tired of it all. He is tired of years of Vergilís Social Darwinism nonsense, he is tired of all the innocent people dead because of said nonsense, he is tired of how their brotherly relationship has deteriorated to the point of utter petty hatred, & he is worried over what this could do to Nero as obviously Dante has taken a paternal role to the lad.

Dante genuinly wanted to kill Vergil with his own two hands if only to finally put an end to everything once & for all. Coming from the guy who danced to Micheal Jackson after getting a new weapon, itís really sad to see him so distraught & in despair at how everything went wrong with his own twin brother.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 14th 2019 at 4:47:07 AM

GoldenKaos Soli Deo Gloria from Ynys y Cedyrn - Europa Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Soli Deo Gloria
Mar 14th 2019 at 4:45:50 AM

Yeah, Dante had clearly given up on beating any sense into Vergil, and considering their rivalry, I don't think he ever could have. I think it's fitting that it's Nero, with whom Vergil had next to zero personal history - alongside being his progeny - was the one to break through and get him to soften up.

Also the Devil Trigger EDM remix during Mission 20 was one of the hypest moments I've experienced in gaming, and it's really weird just how well an EDM remix fits in with DMC. It's probably my favourite track of the game.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Mar 14th 2019 at 11:47:46 AM

Cenedl Heb Iaith - Cenedl Heb Urddas
Mar 14th 2019 at 4:54:34 AM

You just know Sparda family dinners are going to be so very awkward.

Mar 14th 2019 at 5:21:06 AM

"Hey bro, remember that time you split yourself into two and caused the worst demon invasion in decades? Haha, good times."

After the events of the fifth game though, I don't think Thanksgiving dinner is going to be that awkward anymore. Sure, it'll probably involve more swords, guns, motorcycle-chainsaws, lightning, rocket arms and rocket launchers than your typical family get together, but I imagine it'll be amiable, if not downright comfy, as long as no one brings up those couple times Vergil couldn't tamp down his hatred boner for his brother.

FrozenWolf2 Avatar of War from Have you seen me?
Avatar of War
Mar 14th 2019 at 5:56:19 AM

The sad thing about Vergil you need to understand He has no plan B, This goes all the way back to DMC 3, Dante asks what he is gonna do with all that power... and Vergil has Never given a concrete answer... It shows that the first thing Vergil does is just sit down and wait for Dante to come fight him... even though he has all the power he wanted

I think V honestly didn't know how Vergil would be once re-completed and hoped that Vergil would atleast do something other then well BE Vergil

"But old memories seldom fade and bad habits die hard."
M84 Freedom is the right of all sentient beings from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Mar 14th 2019 at 6:20:56 AM

It's not that he has no plan B. It's that he has no real goal besides becoming more powerful than Dante. He has no answer to And Then What?, because he threw away everything meaningful in his life in his misguided pursuit of power — save for his resentment of his brother.

Edited by M84 on Mar 14th 2019 at 9:22:15 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
fasoman1996 Lovely Hamster boi from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Lovely Hamster boi
Mar 14th 2019 at 7:26:22 AM

I think you can just taste that bit of family reunion awkwardness in the post-game main menus

Vergil is just there sitting besides Nero or Dante, staring awkwardly at the place. You even get the impression that he is trying to start a conversation but his pride won't let him

Edited by fasoman1996 on Mar 14th 2019 at 11:26:45 AM

Hamster boy.
GoldenKaos Soli Deo Gloria from Ynys y Cedyrn - Europa Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Soli Deo Gloria
Mar 14th 2019 at 8:03:23 AM

A Vergil who isn't non-stop going I NEED MORE POWEEER is basically a Vergil with no purpose in life, so those scenes always come across like Vergil not understanding what it is to chill out and relax for once.

Cenedl Heb Iaith - Cenedl Heb Urddas
Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia
Mighty No. 51345
Mar 14th 2019 at 8:24:18 AM

"Is this the part where we fight?"
"No, Vergil. The fight is over."
-does not compute-

Edited by Zeromaeus on Mar 14th 2019 at 11:24:36 AM

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire
Mar 14th 2019 at 8:41:32 AM

Something else to be observed about Vergil is his tendency to rely on shortcuts to become stronger. In DMC 3, he wanted to absorb his father's power and in this game he splits himself from his human half to become more powerful. Compare to Dante and Nero whose skills and strength increase through experience and become better or equal to Vergil simply by getting better the old fashioned way. In some ways this shows Vergil's bluster is really all show.

Invincibleasshole fuckANN from Not here Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
fuckANN
Mar 14th 2019 at 9:04:17 AM

So how does the Vergil fight in this game compare to the final one in 3

You're going to pay a price for every bloody thing you do and everything you don't do. You don't get to choose to not pay a price.
GoldenKaos Soli Deo Gloria from Ynys y Cedyrn - Europa Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Soli Deo Gloria
Mar 14th 2019 at 9:56:23 AM

The main difference are that Judgement Cut End isn't around anymore, replaced by a big AOE Slash Dimension, he does a big divebomb move in Sin Devil Trigger mode, and he can summon a DT clone when his health is low, so you're having to fight against TWO of him at that point. The clone doesn't have much health at least, and IIRC it goes away after Vergil goes back to his non-DT mode. He goes DT at the 50% mark - he has fairly wide openings up until that point, but afterwards the opportunity window is much shorter. It seems that you can parry his blows with your own and create and opening if you time it correctly however, (and you can parry his summoned swords back at him in the same way).

It's slightly different in the Nero fight - Vergil is obviously tired from his fight with Dante and does less crazy stuff, probably to account for the fact that Nero can't spam Royal Guard or Trickster like Dante can. You can Buster Counter that divebomb move, and he will get stunned and take a knee about 2-3 times a fight, where you can do a sick buster move on him again. First time around, your DT will regen fast so you can spam it - making the first time you fight him a bit of a power trip rather than a real challenge. That doesn't happen in subsequent fights as far as I can tell, or at least not in Son of Sparda.

Personally I think Vergil 4 is the best boss fight in the series.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Mar 14th 2019 at 4:58:49 PM

Cenedl Heb Iaith - Cenedl Heb Urddas
Mar 14th 2019 at 9:56:43 AM

RBG on how Dante acquired Balrog.

Kinda dissapointed that Lucia didn't play much of a role in Balrog's defeat.

GoldenKaos Soli Deo Gloria from Ynys y Cedyrn - Europa Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Soli Deo Gloria
Mar 14th 2019 at 9:58:04 AM

Who?

Cenedl Heb Iaith - Cenedl Heb Urddas
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Mar 14th 2019 at 12:01:09 PM

Vergil is basically Vegeta, so there you go.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Mar 14th 2019 at 12:21:51 PM

Nero wishes Vegeta were his dad. Vegeta at least never maimed his own son.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Mar 14th 2019 at 12:23:01 PM

Yea, he just punched him in the gut and neglected him for 8 years...

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Mar 14th 2019 at 12:32:07 PM

Also whining, screaming, & complaining like a man who clearly feels inadequate about himself.

Say what you will about Vergil but at least heís generally polite.

Also itís funny that the reboot & retun to classic game that came out in the last decade both end in Vergil bossfight.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 14th 2019 at 12:32:25 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Mar 14th 2019 at 12:34:20 PM

pretty sure its deliberate in 5's case. There are lots of references to the reboot

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Blueace from Chile Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Mar 14th 2019 at 2:00:53 PM

There is a strong "hold my beer" feeling compared to the reboot in this game.

Mar 14th 2019 at 2:32:48 PM

Nero is basically Trunks or Gohan

35 year old white man.
lycropath Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Mar 14th 2019 at 2:33:51 PM

Still wishing I had Bloody Palace already. [lol]

Demongodofchaos2 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Mar 14th 2019 at 2:58:32 PM

Comes out April 1st.

lycropath Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Mar 14th 2019 at 3:02:10 PM

This date sounds like a hoax!

JRads47 Crappy Euphonium Player from my point of view, the Jedi are evil!
Crappy Euphonium Player
Mar 14th 2019 at 3:03:21 PM

[up]x4 Nero is the Luke to Vergil's Vader

Edited by JRads47 on Mar 14th 2019 at 6:03:34 AM

LeBron is going to ruin Space Jam 2 like he did the Lakers

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