Devil May Cry

Hey, we didn't bring it up this time. But I refuse to settle on "Not as bad as it could have been." when it comes to annoying monetization.

I'll point to Random Black Gamer's video on the matter

as someone, like my self and him have said, I don't like Microtransactions either, and and I agree with him on the matter far more then with Angry joe (especially angry joe) Yong Yea or Jim Sterling when it comes to this situation.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Oct 6th 2018 at 8:39:00 AM

That guy gets it.

Man, the Faust Hat looks pretty damn good. And Cerberus, holy shit. Wasn't too impressed by Cavaliere, though probably because it's one of the weapons we already saw.

Funny that multiplayer in Spec Ops was brought up as an example of a bad feature demanded by suits since DMC 5 also will have this.

I will also remind you all that this time people like me did not bring this up. This was brought up because someone wanted to call us a bunch of idiots using nothing but the existence of a weapon that increases orb gain as proof that we are wrong to be upset about microtransactions in a AAA game.

Seriously, were you trying to provoke us?

I used words that might have been too harsh. I can apologize for that. However, calling you stupid is something that I did not do, nor am I some kind of microtransaction supporter that you seem to take me for.

I'd much rather do without them, but now that we have an explicit demonstration of how much they will not matter, I think the matter can be put to rest. Complaining about it any further can do nothing but alienate the game from long-time fans and newcomers both.

You are the one who brought it up, saying that we should be feeling stupid because of a new weapon reveal.

Because I'm frustrated how the mere word "microtransactions" invites dislike for a game that's looking to be a quality title. We've been through this with DMC 4:SE. Microtransactions were there, too, and yet nobody complains about those (in fact, the game was tweaked so more Red Orbs is received by just playing).

I apologize. I felt smug and satisfied at the reveal of the Faust Hat, thinking that this will be enough to put an argument to rest.

Putting an argument to rest? You're the one who revived it. I was perfectly fine waiting for the release of the game to make another judgement on the microtransaction system.

And there's a good reason microtransaction systems in AAA games invite such hostility. They lower the quality of the game. Always. The only question is "how much?"

As a DMC fan, it irks me that a game I've been looking forward to all this time would include this.

Edited by M84 on Oct 7th 2018 at 5:43:06 PM

Well, I've no further intention of arguing. There seems to be no understanding between us, so it would be pointless to just go in circles.

"And there's a good reason microtransaction systems in AAA games invite such hostility. They lower the quality of the game. Always. The only question is "how much"

And like we said, if its gonna be like DMC 4 SE, Not at all.

Its simple, and using reductive reasoning and saying it as objective fact is wrong.

Microtransactions only hurt a game when they are implemented terribly.

Like, The Yakuza series actually has them. Didn't know that?

I didn't either, but because of that, I can say that they aren't badly implemented because the game doesn't try and force me to buy them.

Besides, even if you do buy them and get new moves, that doesn't mean you're going to be an instant god in the game like with an Ubisoft or EA product.

Why? Because unlike those game,s DMC is a a series where Mastery of your moveset is much more important then how many moves you actually have. You can buy all the orbs in the world, but it wouldn't do you any good if you can't learn the games mechanics properly, especially if you go for a Hardest diffculty setting on a fresh new game.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Oct 7th 2018 at 9:25:16 AM

According to this site (Microtransaction Zone), yes the Yakuza series has DLC. For the most part it's cosmetic stuff or unrelated to the main game, and isn't straight up experience purchasing. It's also worth noting that several games in the series are completely DLC and microtransaction free.

Yakuza 6 for example reserves its microtransaction stuff for its multiplayer content. Which is still kind of shitty, but at least it doesn't affect the main game.

That's not the case with DMC 5's proposed microtransactions, where you straight up buy orbs. You're buying experience points basically.

BTW, here is that same site's entry on Devil May Cry 4: SE.

Monetized cheat codes. That about sums up what these are. I remember when those used to be free.

I will also point out that if the best defense you have for something is "well, it's not that hard to ignore", that's not really a defense. I can ignore the floater in my eye most of the time, but I'd still prefer not having it there at all.

Edited by M84 on Oct 7th 2018 at 10:04:52 PM

Which they still are, as stated in the exact passage you quoted.

It'd be free if there was an option to toggle the exp drops in a menu or something. Or if there was a cheat code you could enter that boosted the drops.

A free cheat code would be something like entering "IDKFA" in Doom 2, which gave you all the weapons and key cards, or "IDDQD" for God mode.

What that passage stated is that you can earn most of those things through gameplay. It just takes longer.

Edited by M84 on Oct 7th 2018 at 10:13:13 PM

And it takes just as long as in any other DMC game.

That's in large part because it was a special edition. They knew perfectly well that if they did make the grind worse compared to the original game there would be hell to pay. And it would be easy for players to discover this, especially since a lot of people who would buy the SE would also have the original game.

What sets this apart from DMC 5 is that with DMC 5 this is the original version of the game. There won't be a previous microtransaction free version to compare it to.

And again, this isn't the same thing as a free cheat code.

Edited by M84 on Oct 7th 2018 at 10:37:17 PM

Honestly, M84, We have stated multiple times that we understand why you don't like Microtransactions, but at this point it becomes so hard to debate you in good faith when you just make the same points over and over, as if they are the only points you have.

And as I have said, you don't become a god in these games by upgrading, unlike your usual EA or Ubisoft game, you still have to , as the dark souls fandom say, Git Gud to actually make real progress in the game.

I feel like this is happening because people are misunderstanding things. Hell, maybe I am too, but well...

From what I understand, M84's stance on microtransactions is a matter of principle, not execution, and all the arguments (again, from my understanding) have been attempts to make him see that "they're not that bad/could be worse" and "they can be ignored", in order to justify getting him (or others with similar grievances I guess) to purchase/support the game despite it having microtransactions baked into it, which is ultimately beside the point for him.

The existence of them in the game tarnishes it, in his opinion, regardless of how well or poorly they're handled in the final product. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

Plus, I think he already said he plans to get the game, just not day one (or perhaps that was another troper that specified that), so it's a moot point to try to convince him to buy it.

Feel free to correct me on this. I just feel like I've been reading this discussion differently, is all.

Edited by Customer on Oct 7th 2018 at 11:36:10 AM

We're just saying the same things over and over. It's best to let it die.

Edited by UltraWanker on Oct 7th 2018 at 6:18:53 PM

So if Nero and Kyrie had a kid, would Dante insist on not being called grandpa?

Yes, I plan to wait a week or so after release before getting the game.

I was perfectly willing to let this matter go until the release date. I wasn't the one who brought up this issue this time.

He's Nero's uncle, so he'd be a granduncle anyway.

Edited by M84 on Oct 8th 2018 at 2:54:52 AM

It’s amusing that Dante’s already at a grandpa’s age considering how young at heart he still is.

But unlike Goku he actually looks like he’s aging.

Nero looks like he's aging too. Maybe it's the haircut.

It would be pretty funny if Vergil came back and hadn't aged a day as a side effect of his time as Nelo Angelo. He'd look younger than his little brother and his son.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 7th 2018 at 2:03:11 AM

I'm told from an NYCC panel on DMC5 that Nico's father was apparently Agnus!?

He was, of course, rather estranged to her.

(It's here if you want to corroborate it, but it's a kinda lousy recording)

Also, apparently the slow-mo scene in the first trailer while Nero jumped out of the truck "to kick demon ass" is the backdrop to the opening credits.

Edited by VutherA on Oct 8th 2018 at 4:19:55 AM

I guess if you squint there's a slight resemblance between the two. Similar skin tone and hair color.

Guess it's something she and Nero have in common: shitty estranged fathers.

So who wants to bet that Nero and Nico, despite not being love interests at all, will end up having more chemistry than he did with Kyrie?

It probably won't be as bad as Noct and Luna from FF XV (seriously, when a DLC-only crossover character has more chemistry with the MC than his supposed love interest...), but still.

Edited by M84 on Oct 8th 2018 at 4:35:09 PM