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Have at it, people, and raise your hand if you hate the dice game in 4.
edited 25th Apr '10 7:39:23 AM by ^_^
I played 3, and loved it, and played around a bit in the first level of 1. Haven gotten 2 because pretty much everyone told me it's very bad.
As for the story, it's not great (Beat Em Ups have a long record of lame stories, remember Bad Dudes, and don't seem to be getting all that better) but it's fun, I mean, the opening narration of DMC 1 with Sparda swinging his sword in the background is just like the ones in those cheesy 80s action/martial arts movies.
Funny story: I started out with 2, and thought that Dante-in-name-only was supposed to be a not-so-affectionate sendup of Nineties Anti Heroes. Yeah, I know, kinda dumb :p Anyway, loved 3, even when it made me want to break the controller with my head. I didn't have quite as much trouble with 4 outside of DMD difficulty, but it was still pretty damn fun in its own right (except for that *BLEEP!* *BLEEP!*ing *BLEEP!*-damned *long BLEEP!* dice game). And the Legendary Dark Knight mode is great for when I've had a bad day and need to blow off some steam. It's pretty damned cathartic to see a screen that is so thoroughly choked with mooks, and then watch them all die from a single "crowd-clearer" move.
/me shuts up now.
^^I played 3 and also loved it. ...Until I thought too hard about the story and slipped into insanity just thinking about how weird it all was. It's like, they were attempting to make it deep but they really, really shouldn't have. Also, the characters. I really didn't like the characters. That thing is my Single-Issue Wonk.
Get 2 and play it anyway. It's a decent game, and anyone telling you it's bad is most likely a drama queen that has never played a truly bad game. Keep in mind that Dante was never meant to be in the game and you're good. In fact, just skip his disc. Lucia is the one you should care about.
edited 25th Apr '10 8:16:24 AM by ^_^
Played through 4, saw someone else play 3.
They're alright, but not great.`
What do you mean exactly with "trying to make it deep"?
It's great series for sure, if you have short attention span, like hardcore button mashing and style > content. And if you like animesque battles Up to Eleven and you don't mind that the coolest parts are non-playable mv sequences. Oh, and you must like bishie emo white haired boys, I suppose.
I like, I love. Played only 3 and 4 on pc, because of the lack of any console in my house.
Dice game sucks the first time you encounter it, but in the level before the last boss, it's not that annoying. I've managed to get S score in that level on the first playthrough, normal mode. So it's not THAT bad.
edited 25th Apr '10 8:28:57 AM by M.Bizzare
Liked 1, played 2 reluctantly, loved 3, loved 4 but not as much as 3. Still hoping for a fifth, but not overly optimistic about it.
Been playing since 1.
I've got all of them except 2, and beaten 1 and 4. Personally, they're my favorite recent action games, since they feel more skill-based than the God of War-esque "spam attacks till you win" games.
Also, on the dice game: Whatever number is showing on top when you hit it is the number that it's going to roll. Keeping that in mind makes it a lot less tedious.
Liked 1 but wouldn't reccomend it now because it's very archaic, 2 does not exist, 3 is one of my favorite games ever, 4 improved the raw fighting at the cost of having less weapon variety and some very questionable design choices.
I like Bayonetta even more than 3, but DMC is still one of the best gaming franchises and solidified my love for Capcom.
@Noimporta; What I mean to say is, the game looked like it was going to introduce some (vaguely) philosophical topics like the difference between good and evil, the importance of a name, and whether or not it's really all that great to sacrifice one person for the benefit of others (or for the benefit of one other person and the detriment of everyone else, as it turns out), but actually bringing all of that up would seem like the characters are just Navel-Gazing instead of getting on with the 'plot' and kicking the bad guy's ass, so they didn't actually do it so much as they left the possibility in.
Then they addressed all that nonsense in the manga, which really made it look like the characters were Navel-Gazing. Vergil really does contemplate the difference between good and evil, along with calling his own father evil and being 'sure of it' (according to Tokyopop translations. I'll confirm with a scanlation sometime). On the subject of names, they are uber important to a demon. Apparently a name is existence itself to a demon, and Sparda could take away the names of the collective Seven Sins and erase them from reality forever, but due to the nature of this series, even the content is style > content. The Sins still interact with Vergil and Dante normally and beg to be renamed so they can take a physical form. Has anyone ever interacted with nonexistence before?
In other words: Capcom, hey, Capcom! What does it mean to erase a Sin from existence? Does it stop people from mentioning the sin, or does it stop people from committing the acts associated with it?
Hell if we know.
And then, Code 2 of the manga ends with Vergil (or one of the Sins, Gluttony or Greed or something) going on about a mouse, a hawk, and how big the sky is in comparison to both things. Last line being, and I'm paraphrasing: If a human knew how vast and endless the sky was, surely they would know despair.
Peep game: DMC1 is implicitly said to take place in Modern America (says so in the handbook). America in that case, is modern enough for Dante to have a motorcycle right outside of his office, and a mummified Yoda on display. But to make things easy, it's best to go with the year the game came out in. DMC1 happens in 2001, then. The story for the third game and the manga take place 9 and 10 years before that, so 1992 and 1991, respectively.
By that point, the common man had long since flipped the middle finger to gravity and the "endless sky" with the little something called airplanes, and Vergil/the demon is musing about man knowing despair? There's a trope for what this is.
The horrible attempt managed to screw around with the story because the characters could just be summarized in one to three words that may or may not be a variation on the word 'Bitch'. Dante's a self-loathing S.O.B., Lady's just a straight-up bitch, Vergil is an Indecisive Bitch (But he's definitely not Evil. How bad can he really be when the one person he's shown stabbing with the intention of killing just happens to like waxing on and on about how great Evil is and practically professed to getting a hard-on for it and furthermore, really deserved it anyway?), and Arkham.... let me not talk any more about Arkham. There's a certain villain from a certain game that pulled off what he wanted to do a lot better.
edited 25th Apr '10 7:50:11 PM by ^_^
I prefer God Hand but I definitely like the DMC series too (which GH basically budded from). Well I liked 1 and 3. If anything, 3 has some of the most ridiculous cutscenes I can imagine.
I really dislike Heavenly Sword. The combat was very poorly designed and ungratifying. If there was any way that they could ensure DMC 5 would be worse than 4 it's hiring those people. Capcom has been on a heavy decline in the last few years but I think they could still do it better than those amateurs.
I've cleared 1, 2 and 3, played a bit of 4. I LOVE DEVIL MAY CRY. The 3 is the best one.
And M.Bizzare, short attention span? Are you insane? Mook can devour you whole if you are not careful with the surroundings.
edited 25th Apr '10 11:25:16 AM by vandro
Devil May Cry 1 reminds me enough of Castlevania to have me keep playing it regularly.
DMC was great but probably hasn't aged all that well.
DMC 3 was awesome.
DMC 4 was alright but pretty damn annoying at points.
I'll never understand why they didn't make a DMC 2.
... Why do people pretend DMC2 doesn't exist? It's not even that big a deal. The game sucked, we get it. Ignoring it and hoping it goes away is just obscenely childish.
It would be just in a joking, playful manner if it existed.
Meh, Devil May Cry is overatted and outdated to me. If you want Devil May Cry 5, Bayonetta is the closest you can get for now, being made by the same person of the 1st one and all. It pretty takes the formula of this series, soaks it in an pot filled with awesome, testorone and viagra, puts it in a blender filled with Up to Eleven and Beyond the Impossible. Oh its just so fun. Don't get me wrong, the Devil May Cry series is fun, yes, even 2. If there is A devil May cry 5, remake 2 and give it a make over, and probably give an explanation opf some sort why Dante acts more like vergil in the game. To me, its not bad, it created air combo's for the series, Dante could run up walls and backflip off them and Majinn form is an awesome way to get out of a tight spot if your health is critical, and looks pretty cool. The series chronologcially is manga, 3, 1, anime, 4, 2.
edited 26th Apr '10 7:11:26 AM by Demongodofchaos
^ Estrogen. It soaked DMC in estrogen.
I thought this was going to be about something else...
Anyway Devil May Cry I can't stand. No I've never really played enough to form real opinion of it, because every time I start playing I get over come with this nauseous feeling that comes from looking too long at Dante and have to stop. Supposedly it plays like Resident Evil 4, but that doesn't give me much hope, as I suck at that game.
You are mistaken, Devil May Cry 1 started as a prototype Resident Evil 4 but its game mechanics are very different.
edited 26th Apr '10 10:56:03 AM by vandro
^^ ..... What were you expecting?
It might just be me, but I just couldn't like Bayonetta as much as Devil May Cry. The game was fun enough, and I did enjoy it, but where DMC is so over-the-top that it's hilariously awesome, Bayonetta was too far over the top to the point that it bypassed hilariously awesome and just felt. . . weird.
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