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tracer Since: May, 2009
#1: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:07:16 PM

Since last night, nearly ALL of the pages listed in the "Original Works" section of the Troper Works index have been DELETED. Most of the previously-functioning Wiki Links in that section are now red.

Was there a discussion about this on the Cut List? The only mention in the Troper Works index discussion itself is of entires being moved from one category to another, not about the underlying pages being deleted entirely!

AddyThePawnSlayer Caissa's DeathAngel from Glasgow Since: Jan, 2001
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#2: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:08:48 PM

Not a single one was cut - they were all moved to their relevant namespace (fan fiction, literature, etc)

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Flanker66 Dreams of Revenge from 30,000 feet and climbing Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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#3: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:09:49 PM

I've not checked the cutlist, but this seems completely unjustified.

I know that I should probably assume good faith, but this smells fishy.

EDIT: In light of the above information I am ambivalent about this.

edited 18th Aug '10 12:10:34 PM by Flanker66

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:14:19 PM

This appears to have been done without any official blessing, as I don't see anything about the site policy for Troper Works having changed.

Ironeye Cutmaster-san from SoCal Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#5: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:15:23 PM

The discussion is in this thread.

The idea behind the move is that for the purposes of namespacing, it shouldn't matter whether or not the creator has an account on TV Tropes. The index is still there for people who want to browse troper-created works, but the word from on-high is that the identity of the author does not matter.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#6: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:15:23 PM

This appears to have been done without any official blessing

Considering it's Fast Eddie who made the move, I'd say it's as official as it needs to be.

Flanker66 Dreams of Revenge from 30,000 feet and climbing Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Dreams of Revenge
#7: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:15:51 PM

EDIT: Ninja'd.

edited 18th Aug '10 12:16:14 PM by Flanker66

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#8: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:15:51 PM

Sorry, yeah, I found that thread just now.

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#9: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:16:18 PM

Flanker, there was consensus within the thread in question, but in the end it was admin fiat. We have that here. This is not a democracy.

For the hard of hearing: All the pages are still there. They were moved to their proper namespace by type/genre. Troper Works is abolished as a namespace.

edited 18th Aug '10 12:17:18 PM by Fighteer

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Yamikuronue So Yeah Since: Aug, 2009
#10: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:18:25 PM

I should go correct the links on that page, probably.

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tracer Since: May, 2009
#11: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:21:31 PM

@ Addy the Pawn Slayer:

Ah, I can see that now. Although there's no longer a Troper Works/Peacemaker page in the "TroperWorks" directory, for example, there IS now a Literature/Peacemaker page in the "Literature" directory, with the same contents as the old page.

Unfortunately, this means there are a LOT of old Wiki links that are going to have to be updated now....

Flanker66 Dreams of Revenge from 30,000 feet and climbing Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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#12: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:21:43 PM

Well, it seems that people are faster typers than I am because by the time I had finished typing everyone had corrected my misconception, so it's turned into a mad scramble to correct myself before I look like I have no reading comprehension at all.

So, here's my (final) thoughts:

What the admin says, goes.

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AddyThePawnSlayer Caissa's DeathAngel from Glasgow Since: Jan, 2001
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#13: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:27:58 PM

There was consensus in the thread anyway.

All that's gone wrong is that the original pages weren't redirected to the new ones (I think Eddie did it as a bulk job) hence all the red links.

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Yamikuronue So Yeah Since: Aug, 2009
#14: Aug 18th 2010 at 12:49:25 PM

I just fixed the Troper Works page. If you're missing a works page, try there first.

Also, since they're all made by tropers, my general thought is that rather than have me go through every related to on all the old links, have each person manage their own work. After all, it ought to be on the watchlist of at least the person whose work it is. They can fix links.

edited 18th Aug '10 12:50:16 PM by Yamikuronue

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#15: Aug 18th 2010 at 1:16:37 PM

Of note: unless the database was specifically updated for it, the moved pages will no longer be on anyone's watchlists.

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Yamikuronue So Yeah Since: Aug, 2009
#16: Aug 18th 2010 at 3:01:31 PM

You can't have the old redlinks on your watchlist?

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Flanker66 Dreams of Revenge from 30,000 feet and climbing Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Dreams of Revenge
#17: Aug 18th 2010 at 3:06:22 PM

Thank you, Yami. I was worried that two page(s) a group and I had put a lot of effort into was lost forever.

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BigT grimAuxiliatrix Since: Jan, 2001
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#18: Aug 21st 2010 at 7:17:55 AM

There are quite a few tropers who have left, and it wouldn't surprise me if some of them have Troper Works.

We also could really use a search-and-replace program that can't tie up the server—it executes only a few iterations, and then loops while busy. And can be halted easily. I know it's pretty easy to pull that type of code off in Java Script.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#19: Aug 21st 2010 at 7:21:15 AM

The server is never not busy. We serve up 5 million pages a day.

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#20: Aug 21st 2010 at 6:07:11 PM

But does "namespace by type/genre" really make sense as a rule? Some of those works were formerly in the Main namespace, and I was confused by the apparent disappearance of Adventurers! that I took on the tedious task of redoing the page's markup, not realizing that the original had been moved into the Webcomic namespace (without so much as a notice on "Recent cuts"). I almost did the same for Antihero For Hire before I realized what was going on. Now, does it really make sense as a rule that pages shouldn't be in the Main namespace if they happen to be written by one of our contributors?

Yamikuronue So Yeah Since: Aug, 2009
#21: Aug 21st 2010 at 6:10:37 PM

Normal works pages ought to be in namespaces as well, but there's too many in main and too many links in main to move all of them.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#22: Aug 21st 2010 at 7:33:12 PM

"The server is never not busy. We serve up 5 million pages a day."

TV Tropes: 5 million served per day.

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#23: Aug 21st 2010 at 7:36:11 PM

This is indeed a relief. Worth almost a heart attack, but a relief that what we had worked on was not eliminated.

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billybobfred Cosine! from renamed to wingedcatgirl Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#24: Aug 24th 2010 at 6:11:59 PM

And now they're all back in the Troper Works namespace?

Did we change our minds here? (when i say "we" and "our" i am referring to the people who decide these things, none of whom are actually me) disregard this i have no idea what i'm talking about

edited 24th Aug '10 11:16:57 PM by billybobfred

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Yamikuronue So Yeah Since: Aug, 2009
#25: Aug 24th 2010 at 6:27:42 PM

No they're not. The Fan Works haven't been moved yet, is all; check the Original Works section. The project seems to have stalled.

edited 24th Aug '10 6:27:54 PM by Yamikuronue

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