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NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65351: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:58:18 PM

I can't really remember any examples of real!Eva blushing from Negi, but I'll take your word for it.

Even so, I still think Eva's heart belongs to Nagi, even if he doesn't reproach. I think an alternate take for her feelings are that she probably knew she wouldn't see Nagi again, and Negi's the closest thing to him for her. Of course, that's until Nagi is freed and now she can pursue him again.

I really have to do more character studies. They're ever so fun.

edited 15th Apr '12 12:58:50 PM by NoLimit

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#65352: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:59:58 PM

[up]I think she blushed heavily right after he saved her at her bridge fall.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#65353: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:16:36 PM

You know, if I had to choose between them, I'd much rather choose Negi. At least he's not a jerkass.

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#65354: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:16:42 PM

Although, it's Negi, so I don't know if we can really take that to mean that she's totally transferred her feelings from Nagi. And we really didn't see enough of her interactions with Nagi in the epilogue to tell who she likes more.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65355: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:25:23 PM

The epilogue said she was still chasing Nagi, but I don't really count the epilogue. That sounds kind of whiny, but I swear it's not!

edited 15th Apr '12 1:25:33 PM by Arha

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65356: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:26:32 PM

I think the epilogue is legit. The issue is no explanation for some of it. tongue

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#65357: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:31:21 PM

Actually, I've decided on taking only select parts from the epilogue. For example, I'm totally calling "WTF" on Hakase marrying Godel, because it came completely outta nowhere, and doesn't make a smidge of sense considering who those two are. And besides, I'll always ship Hakase with Chao.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65358: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:40:28 PM

Apart from the Kotaro/Natsumi and Konoka/Setsuna thing I'm not picking and choosing on the stuff since I've no idea if it was planned out in advance.

I'm not sure Eva would actually be willing to have a relationship with Negi even if she did like him. She's probably really weird about romance.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#65359: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:41:00 PM

People don't normally marry someone they knew while they were in school.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#65360: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:45:01 PM

Normal people. Is Eva anywhere near normal?

Thought so.

In either case, I'm just sayin', it kind of comes out as the sinking of a ship for the sake of sinking it, and that all the ship tease was, in the end, completely meaningless.

Then again, this is vastly more glaring with Nodoka...

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NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65361: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:46:54 PM

I always thought the series was less about the romance and more of how Negi affected the girls into becoming better versions of themselves, which I felt was the case for Nodoka and Yue.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#65362: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:48:20 PM

Maybe so, but having absolutely no romantic resolution other than sinking the ships that were actually probable? THAT is douchey.

edited 15th Apr '12 1:49:11 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#65364: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:49:31 PM

A pretty damn big troll move, to be certain.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#65365: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:49:55 PM

[up][up][up][up]The thing is the Sports Festival wholly ruined most of the girls' character development until then (and for no good reason at all beyond the sake of a few lame gags and a reveal, Negi liking someone, that NEVER gets anywhere after that), and that's pretty much the last thing they do before we're supposed to believe they all became mature and kickass and strong and a really good team in a series of Distant Finale panels. We aren't shown anything of how that comes to be right after being shown their experiences hadn't actually made them any better in proper story.

edited 15th Apr '12 1:52:11 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65366: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:53:18 PM

The sports festival was a dork age, and not worth factoring into the overall series as I thought it came about from filling out the chapter numbers so that he can end the series soon.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#65367: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:58:51 PM

@IANCE: I was actually talking about Satomi, not Eva.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#65368: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:00:01 PM

[up][up]But even before that, Ala Alba basically ended up their final serious match in the whole series being wiped all across the floor, and then having to be bailed by a sucession of Deus Ex Machinas. Then we're expected to buy they became badass enough to beat the Lifemaker, but we aren't ever given one iota of rationale how this came to be when LM had proved in his last appearance he could manhandle all of Ala Rubra at once.

[up]But 'Fair Play' storytelling means you should at least put some lead-in effort on who will end up with who else.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:01:04 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65369: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:02:00 PM

Which, as I theorized, is due to the ending coming before its time.

[down] Precisely.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:10:06 PM by NoLimit

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#65370: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:09:22 PM

The sports festival might be when Ken got wind of the whole rights thing and began his franchise arson.

EDIT: (spoilered to not derail the thread)

Working theory on the nuking thing: It might be that they simply removed everything that might be even slightly offensive (and easily findable) to stop people from complaining, and will be reinstalling the good series with edits once the thing dies down and there is the board to choose what's safe and what's not.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:11:44 PM by Sinclair

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#65371: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:12:28 PM

@Sereg

Still comes right the fuck out of nowhere. In canon, they never even met. That's crack pairing standards. Hell, when we do Crack Pairings, we at least try to show how it is even possible, we don't just say 'They're married now''... unless that's the joke.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:13:27 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65372: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:15:00 PM

I'm pretty sure it was a joke, actually. Just a canon one.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#65373: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:15:03 PM

@Napoleon: Well, foreshadowing is naturally better, but that wasn't going to happen with the rushed ending and honestly it is kind of amusing.

EDIT: [up][up]As I said, that's usually how it happens in real life. Is it a Crack Pairing? Yes. It's still funny and I believe that it could have been believable if we witnessed the relationship.

ANOTHER EDIT: But still, I acknowldge that it makes no sense without context.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:18:06 PM by Sereg

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#65374: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:17:12 PM

[up][up]I guess. I can respect his ability to troll.

[up]You seem to forget that this is not real life. This is a manga. And a manga in which a relationship just sort of happens without ANY foreshadowing or even being shown on screen means jack shit. There was absolutely zero ship tease. They are both from different social spheres. They never met in canon, and the things they do aren't particularly conductive to their meeting.

Satomi is a scientist, most likely working as a mechanic for the insanely complicated Chachamaru series of robots (because she and Chao are the only two people who know how to build them), while Godel is a politician (and covert Badass). How did they meet? I guess you could say they met at a party and hit it off, but frankly, what are the odds of that?

It's a crack pairing. It can work, but the manga took absolutely no steps to make it so.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:22:28 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#65375: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:23:23 PM

Someone is outright stating that Kubo Tite is not the only troll.....

http://steamcommunity.com/id/Xan-Xan/

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