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Sabbo Since: Jan, 2001
#65326: Apr 15th 2012 at 6:51:50 AM

[up][up][up][up]I suppose, but had only the first link been given, I would have had no reason to believe or assume she was wearing tights.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and about Evangeline: I don't mind her. Ignoring the parts where she's abusive for the sake of being abusive, she's actually among the characters I like most. Of course, I can understand why other people don't like her though.

edited 15th Apr '12 6:54:34 AM by Sabbo

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#65327: Apr 15th 2012 at 7:17:30 AM

I don't like Evangeline a lot. It'd be okay if she flaunted her power as much as she does if she didn't put the others down so much in the proccess.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65328: Apr 15th 2012 at 7:54:26 AM

The whole monster tier being that much stronger than everyone else would probably have worked better if there had been a real final arc. Only Negi ever caught up while Asuna could sort of hang out there by virtue of being a total munchkin.

Oh, and I like Eva a lot. Rakan is the one who gets my indifference.

edited 15th Apr '12 7:57:37 AM by Arha

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#65329: Apr 15th 2012 at 8:19:43 AM

Pulling your punches makes sense if you want to avoid collateral damage.

I'll admit that I'm not a huge Eva fan, but I still like her.

I don't base my favourites on power. My favourite is Setsuna, mostly for reasons that others apparently dislike her, but oh well.

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#65330: Apr 15th 2012 at 9:48:08 AM

I never really like eva. She's too smug and conceded for my taste. And some of her "deep" speaches sound like they come from philosophy undergrad who got dumped by his girlfriend.

"Everything sucks. Life is suffering. All those happy people? Oh, they are just stupid. Not as deep as I am."

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#65331: Apr 15th 2012 at 9:52:38 AM

i would argue that Eva's happy in her own way, especially once she gets more involved with Ala Alba. I mean, she's got reason to be unhappy, don't you think? Pick from the list of being vampirized at age 10, being eight hundred years old with a little girl's body, having to live through the better part of a millennium of conflict (including having bounty hunters coming after her when she didn't deserve it in the early days)...

edited 15th Apr '12 9:54:03 AM by RedSavant

It's been fun.
Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#65332: Apr 15th 2012 at 9:52:59 AM

Well, yeah, I don't agree with her on such things and I wouldn't like her IRL, but I can still appreciate her character.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65333: Apr 15th 2012 at 10:19:20 AM

"Everything sucks. Life is suffering. All those happy people? Oh, they are just stupid. Not as deep as I am."

I don't think you're supposed to think she's right. I don't think she even believes it herself.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#65334: Apr 15th 2012 at 10:21:09 AM

^Like I said, she's happy enough in her own way. She's been through a lot of shit, though, and I certainly have to agree with her - how could a 14-year-old from a family rich enough to afford Mahora have any idea what her life has been like?

It's been fun.
JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#65335: Apr 15th 2012 at 10:28:52 AM

I like Eva; the smugness would bother me a lot more if 1. it wasn't partially justified by the fact that she really is that strong and 2. characters like Alberio and Negi can clearly get under her skin. She is uncomfortably smug sometimes, but I think it's a facade that she's built up over the years of basically being persona non grata to everything, and now that she's surrounded by people who tolerate her, the cracks are starting to show. I kinda wish that we had gotten a few more scenes dedicated to how her outlook has been affected.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#65336: Apr 15th 2012 at 11:15:32 AM

The thing about Eva is she's such a hypocrite. She taunts, mocks and belittles everyone on their personal weaknesses, and yet her own personal weaknesses run rampant under the thin guise of her superiority complex. And no one ever calls her out on that, except, in a way, Satsuki during the Sports Festival.

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#65337: Apr 15th 2012 at 11:28:12 AM

Rankan

How do so many people misspell Rakan's name? .-.

Also, I can't believe I never noticed that Akamatsu showed us what it would look like if Negi used Eternal Negi Fever. evil grin

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#65338: Apr 15th 2012 at 11:31:23 AM

[up] Hey, that eye beam shooting Negi is a dead ringer for Cyclops.

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65339: Apr 15th 2012 at 11:38:09 AM

Hmm...*makes a note for future idea*

Evangeline is my favorite character. She encompasses both the Old Master trope you'd see in a shonen series while being a bitchy loli character from a harem series, thus making her a sort of representative of Negima as a whole.

I never for a second thought she was being unfairly smug, at least in terms of storytelling. She has lived centuries worth of despair from people fearing her for what she had no choice in being. I think she probably fled most of the time, but perhaps that wasn't enough. She might have realized that she had to get stronger in order to protect herself. As such, she forged this persona with the power to match of a absurdly powerful vampire mistress of the night in order to drive people away with fear so that they don't try to hunt after her anymore.

However, the years take its toll, and Eva eventually Becomes The Mask. Her outlook on life has changed and now believes herself to be that vampiric force of evil that everyone sees of her, but still retains her sense of sadness from before.

It isn't until Nagi, HUNDREDS OF YEARS LATER, whom was probably the first person to truly realize she's still that little girl crying out for mommy and daddy. As such, she develops feelings for him due to that encounter, and the rest is history.

That's why she's such a recluse, because she doesn't want the others to fear and drive her away. She could easily beat them down, but what's the point? Of course, she did start targeting Negi when he showed up, but really? I'd probably go insane with boredom if I was trapped in a school with nothing fun happening for 15 years. [lol]

She probably...no, most likely saw a lot of Nagi in Negi, especially after their first fight where Negi saved her from her fall off the bridge. That's why she decided to help him with his training after much coaching. She probably sees him as the son she could have had with the man she once and still loves.

Of course, it's Tough Love for Negi. [lol]

edited 15th Apr '12 11:39:23 AM by NoLimit

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#65340: Apr 15th 2012 at 11:52:02 AM

Bullshit she saw him as a son until the cop out that was the end of the manga. She had very clearly transferred her affections to him. She actually goes Tsundere for him!

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NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65341: Apr 15th 2012 at 11:55:56 AM

As does Arika. What's your point? tongue

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#65342: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:00:43 PM

Different kinds of Tsundere. Arika goes Dere Dere for him, Evangeline goes Tsun Tsun.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#65343: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:13:09 PM

Dang, now I really wish that "Negi beam" had actually been used somewhere. tongue

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NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65344: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:16:21 PM

wild mass guessThat's how he saved Nagi and beat the Lifemakerwild mass guess

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#65345: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:27:13 PM

Great, now I won't be able to stop thinking about Negi being trapped in a book and still somehow managing to kick untold amounts of ass...

edited 15th Apr '12 12:27:29 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65346: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:39:56 PM

Whether or not it's fair for Eva go be a jerk based on her hardships makes no difference to me. She can be smug about her abilities, though, because she can back those up. She's also rather amusing and has a great dynamic with just about anyone she talks to. Except Setuna.

She may be smug, but she's also genuinely awesome and developed the coolest ability in the series.

Oh, and frankly, the idea that Eva would still be going for Nagi raises an eyebrow for me. First, she seemed to be crushing on Negi a little too much by the end. Second, I can't see Nagi reciprocating even if Arika is dead and unless she wants to get sealed somewhere again she can't just stalk him everywhere he goes again.

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65347: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:48:06 PM

I think it's more of the Springfield effect than anything. Besides, it was fake!Eva that really showed any "real" emotional attraction to Negi. Real!Eva was more aloof about it.

If you want to cite the Mahorafest kiss thing, I thought it was more of a mocking kiss than anything.

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#65348: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:52:16 PM

Fake!Eva is based on real!Eva at the time she last interacted with the scroll, and on Negi's own memories of real!Eva. I'd say it's rather close to being accurate, especially given that it matches prior behavior by real!Eva.

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#65349: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:53:21 PM

@No Limit That was a very interesting character study. It actually explains quite a lot. I agree that Eva likely gradually went on to see Negi as a son she never had. Not that that stopped her from making him a substitute Nagi at the same time. The end of the manga doesn't count. We all know it was gainaxed.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65350: Apr 15th 2012 at 12:53:49 PM

No, he's gotten blushes out of real Eva too. Plus, fake Eva would remember Nagi. Also, there's her thing at the end of the sports festival. I don't know if her pride would allow her to pursue him, but I'd say she definitely did like Negi by the end.


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