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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#65176: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:03:24 PM

[up] Assuming that Negi actually revealed that he's Arika's son — after all, he could've just limited himself to revealing that he's Nagi's son, since officially nobody that he married Arika on Earth. Alternatively, maybe Negi had abdicated his right to the throne, which makes Asuna the next candidate by simple process of elimination.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65177: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:22:08 PM

I uh kinda doubt it would stay secret. And I seem to recall Godel announcing he was Arika's son, but I could be wrong.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#65179: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:27:33 PM

And he only said that he was Arika's son in the presence of his personal bodyguard contingent; I'd imagine that he can "persuade" them to keep their mouths shut about it, if they even know (maybe he secretly put a spell on them that would filter out that fact before it reached their ears/minds?).

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65180: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:29:00 PM

Ah, did he? Still, I seriously doubt Negi would want it kept secret.

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65181: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:29:09 PM

Speaking of his young boy ward, he never got to do anything important. Sad face for a character that was sadly wasted.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#65182: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:43:31 PM

Meh, we're not sure he's young either, with people like Zect. And I was never sure of his gender either. That character is an Ageless, Faceless Expressionless, Gender-Neutral, Culturally Ambiguous Adventure Bodyguard Person.

edited 11th Apr '12 1:49:57 PM by Medinoc

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#65183: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:44:05 PM

I never objected to Asuna's claim on the throne, I just said that she would be a terrible ruler. Negi has similar problems, but unlike Asuna, he's ten and he'd be easily moldable into a proper king.

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#65184: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:45:38 PM

Yeah, I don't see Asuna as a great ruler, but I don't believe in monarchies, so yeah.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#65185: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:46:42 PM

Regardless of wether you believe on monarchies on not, you wouldn't put a confirmed idiot on the president's seat, right?

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65186: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:48:10 PM

How Negi and Asuna would do depends on what duties the royalty actually has. Negi would be a great tactical warrior king, could lead the people and set up sound policies, but he'd also be too lenient and he'd put himself in harms way too easily. Bad policy for a leader. Asuna... would make a good figurehead, I suppose. She might have some use leading people on the battlefield but then again she'd probably insist on brawling herself.

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65187: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:48:36 PM

I thought we've established Asuna is not stupid outside of booksmarts?

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#65188: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:50:01 PM

Asuna actually wised up quite a lot when she reabsorbed Vesperina, and she'd have a fairly long time to get taught by Theodora and Kurt on how to run a small principality like Ostia.

It's been fun.
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65189: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:50:09 PM

She's impulsive and she's not much for advanced tactics. She's not a planner either.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#65190: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:53:54 PM

Asuna is an idiot the same way most idiot heroes are.

She's nowhere near close to ruler material. And, as a figurehead, she is not a particularly charismatic person, but her attitude should earn her quite a few followers.

Both would need advisors, either way, but the difference would be in that Negi can actually act the part of a royal, being a natural born English Gentleman, while Asuna is not going to be a 'proper lady' any time soon.

The thing is, it's not the Megalomesembrian Trusteeship of Ostia. We're talking a kingdom here.

edited 11th Apr '12 1:55:28 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65191: Apr 11th 2012 at 1:58:00 PM

Ayaka: I shall teach you to be a proper lady, Asuna!

Asuna: Shoot me now.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65192: Apr 11th 2012 at 2:05:04 PM

IANCE: I would expect that figurehead Asuna wouldn't be given many chances to unleash the social disaster that lurks at her core.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#65193: Apr 11th 2012 at 2:19:50 PM

Thing is, she would begin a political shitstorm even despite that by being too impulsive. She strikes me as the kind of person who doesn't know what Taxes are for.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#65195: Apr 11th 2012 at 2:27:24 PM

IANCE, you're arguing Asuna from the beginning of the manga - and even then, she wasn't unteachable, just stubborn and bad with books. She's older, a hell of a lot wiser, and now she has 400+ years of memories of life in the Royal Family to guide her. Of course she wouldn't be perfect on day 1, but I bet you anything she'd be a competent and well-liked ruled by the time she died.

It's been fun.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#65196: Apr 11th 2012 at 2:37:51 PM

To be fair, I am judging it basing on Asuna pre-gravekeeper's palace, as I have not seen enough of her to judge.

However, if the scene when she was awaken was anything to go by, she and the Twilight Imperial Princess are separate entities. Which makes sense. Suddenly getting four hundred years of memories, most of which must be of the torture she endured while she was a weapon, all at once should have driven her insane, not calmed her down.

However, I don't think she is unteachable. She is impulsive and temperamental. In a culture that gives a crap about what the president ate for breakfast, any mistake will be pounced upon. And she will have her detractors.

For the record, if I wanted to, I could argue her claim to the throne. It is possible she is not actually related to the royal family at all, since I doubt that she simply appeared one day. Chances are, the Lifemaker created her itself in the case it wanted to blow the crap out of the magic world a boring tuesday. Even if she was, she's part of a branch of the family that has nothing to do with the current royal family, which is composed of only Negi, who if Arika and Nagi never married, as a bastard still gets priority over Asuna.

edited 11th Apr '12 2:40:18 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65197: Apr 11th 2012 at 2:40:40 PM

So does everyone. Does that mean she shouldn't get a chance at it when she has 400 years worth of memories that probably feature a whole history of her country and that she'd probably know more about it than anyone who lives in it?

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#65198: Apr 11th 2012 at 2:43:20 PM

Knowing History does not prepare you to rule a country. Otherwise, history teachers would be presidents. Experience might make you wise, but it is not a guarantee.

Simply knowing more about a country's history than anyone else means jack shit when talking politics.

If we really want to talk about a realistic scenario, YES, Asuna would probably be made queen instead of Negi, but she'd probably end up a puppet ruler.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#65199: Apr 11th 2012 at 2:44:52 PM

Experience is the best teacher.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#65200: Apr 11th 2012 at 3:04:20 PM

Of course, having memories of doing something does not mean you have the experience of doing it.

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