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Daremo Misanthrope Supreme from Parts Unknown Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
#576: Nov 26th 2010 at 6:45:05 AM

"No action at this time" is not the same as "no action", and useless actions are far worse that no action, in my book. We're getting nowhere at the moment, save for increasingly silly gag titles and to me, it only makes sense to put the whole thing on hold for now and come back to it later, preferably in a new topic. Neither treading water til we drown, nor leaping whimsically in some random direction seem like appealing choices.

Leave the crowner open, close the topic, and see if one of the pots boils while we're not watching it. When/if the topic comes up again, we may have an answer at the ready. In the meantime, I think many are willing to see the back of this, at least for now.

Creed of the Happy Pessimist:Always expect the worst. Then, when it happens, it was only what you expected. All else is a happy surprise.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#577: Nov 26th 2010 at 7:20:32 AM

^ It would be the second time the topic was put on hold, and it's only been through heavy application of the mod thumping stick that this hasn't derailed again. I don't think waiting longer is going to change anyone's attitudes or particularly help it in any way.

What I *think* the issue is is that we have two or more factions mutually opposed over what the name should be, plus the inability to come up with a 100% clear title that isn't ISAIDWHAT, plus consensus for the rename itself, though produced, highly contested.

edited 26th Nov '10 7:27:27 AM by Elle

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#578: Nov 26th 2010 at 9:53:10 AM

Rhetorical Order Blunder should be clear enough though, if only for its similarity to Rhetorical Question Blunder. Alternatively, ISAIDWHAT is a bit silly and longwinded, but it could be considered Fridge Brilliance that this arguably applies to this conversation.

HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
#579: Nov 27th 2010 at 7:26:58 PM

What I *think* the issue is is that we have two or more factions mutually opposed over what the name should be
Yes, well, I think that needs to be resolved, but aforementioned mod thumping says otherwise.

Huh. I think that might be the only thing we agree on in this thread.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#580: Nov 27th 2010 at 10:06:11 PM

The thumping was because all that was going on was the two factions were screaming at each other and repeating the same arguments over and over again. No new arguments were being offered, and screaming doesn't change anyone's mind.

If you have an idea about how to reconcile two groups who aren't interested in being reconciled, I'd like to hear it.

MoCellMan from Connecticut, USA Since: Jun, 2010
#581: Dec 2nd 2010 at 5:09:02 PM

Bumping, because I feel like it's sitting a little ways back in the discussion list, and with 580 entries, something should happen, so it feels right to keep it in the forefront until it does.

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Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#582: Dec 2nd 2010 at 9:49:26 PM

Are we ever going to get this over with?

I don't care what it gets as the new name, just hurry up and get it over with!

Accidental mistakes are forgivable, intentional ones are not.
TheInferno |Y| = |X| Add 5 from probably on Earth Since: Jul, 2010
|Y| = |X| Add 5
#583: Dec 3rd 2010 at 12:51:30 PM

We could steal Argenfargle.

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#584: Dec 3rd 2010 at 1:28:36 PM

I would say just go with Rhetorical Order Blunder for now; even if it does not have to be an order (what else would it be, a request?) it is only equated with that in overly literal interpretations of the title. Even that is better than an overly literal interpretation of Rid Me Of This Priest. o.o

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#585: Dec 3rd 2010 at 6:44:47 PM

Then do it so we can lock this blasted thread.

Accidental mistakes are forgivable, intentional ones are not.
MoCellMan from Connecticut, USA Since: Jun, 2010
#586: Dec 3rd 2010 at 7:03:55 PM

I personally would like to see the winner cross +10 before carrying out a rename, particularly for one this contentious. Not that we have any kind of numerical standard (and I don't think we should); I just think it would be less prone to coming back here in another thread in two days with "Rename Rhetorical Order Blunder."

edited 3rd Dec '10 7:10:19 PM by MoCellMan

Searching for plausible mechanisms.
neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up Since: Jan, 2010
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#588: Dec 3rd 2010 at 8:11:39 PM

↑Actually, yeah... it would be. Where were you two months ago?

And considering the crowner I do did plan to come back to try and rename in a couple of months anyway. Bust just look at how much effort would lake a 10+-difference crowner lead!

edited 3rd Dec '10 8:33:46 PM by SilentReverence

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#589: Dec 3rd 2010 at 8:30:46 PM

^^^ If we wait for something to hit +10 we'll be here another two months (I'd love to be proven wrong).

MoCellMan from Connecticut, USA Since: Jun, 2010
#590: Dec 3rd 2010 at 8:32:59 PM

[up]True enough.

I'm amazed it has only 19 wicks - for something that has so many discussion entries, it seems like some of that energy could go into looking for more examples grin At least it makes for an easy change.

edited 3rd Dec '10 8:33:33 PM by MoCellMan

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#591: Dec 3rd 2010 at 8:35:46 PM

^ That was one of the pro-rename arguments (not trying to reopen the subject, just stating the fact).

SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up Since: Jan, 2010
adopting kitteh
#592: Dec 3rd 2010 at 8:36:18 PM

I'm amazed too. At least for me, I'm pretty bad actually identifying tropes at works (I get too distracted watching/reading the works I guess). I could bring about 12 examples from Real Life, but those don't go in trope pages so...

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#593: Dec 4th 2010 at 2:10:28 PM

... so basically, two VERY similar trope names are in the lead ahead of the rest of them. The question should now be which of those two most accurately describe the trope.

VincentGaribaldi Since: Mar, 2010
#594: Dec 6th 2010 at 1:43:00 AM

Out of those two I'd go with Rhetorical Request Backfire. It's better than most of the options, though I stil prefer the expanded quote. The main problem is that every time I check this thread (more and more rarely) the top two options change pretty consistently.

SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up Since: Jan, 2010
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#595: Dec 6th 2010 at 6:34:14 AM

...Yeah, it's one of the fun issues with this thread. When the crowner stabilizes we let it (the thread) rest for a while; then as soon as we check for definitiveness more people appears to (re)vote.

I'm almost debating myself between a depriested version of the quote (IMHO, always preferable) and Rhetorical Request Blunder. Maybe some Added Alliterative Appeal to the candidate may sway my vote...

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Michael So that's what this does Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
So that's what this does
#596: Dec 8th 2010 at 5:41:44 AM

By a depriested version, you mean Rid Me Of This Trope?

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#597: Dec 8th 2010 at 7:23:18 AM

Please do!

Why yes, I am getting frustrated again.

Let's just get this page renamed.

Accidental mistakes are forgivable, intentional ones are not.
Michael So that's what this does Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
So that's what this does
#598: Dec 8th 2010 at 8:14:42 AM

...

I walked right into that one didn't I?

VincentGaribaldi Since: Mar, 2010
#599: Dec 8th 2010 at 3:11:47 PM

I think he just misunderstood. We all know you didn't really mean it.

But seriously, we need to take care of this thread. End it if you will.

edited 8th Dec '10 3:15:50 PM by VincentGaribaldi

SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up Since: Jan, 2010
adopting kitteh
#600: Dec 8th 2010 at 3:42:04 PM

@Michael: That's pretty much the one. A more explicit choice like Will No One Rid Me Of This Trope (or X or whatever) would be marvels, too. But Rid Me Of This Trope sounds cool as well.

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AlternativeTitles: RidMeOfThisPriesttake2
20th Apr '10 12:00:00 AM

Crown Description:

The Definition that the name needs to fit is as follows:

A person says something he does not mean literally; he does not mean for it to happen. Someone else hears the statement and interprets it as an order or request. The person who heard it acts on it, believing it to be the genuine desire of the speaker. This results in something the person who made the statement did not want or expect. Upon learning that the non-order was carried out, the person thought to have issued it is displeased.

  • The speaker does not
    • have to be alone when he makes the statement,
    • have to believe that no one heard him say it.
  • His awareness of or lack of awareness of the person who heard him is irrelevant.
  • The result does not have to be death or even serious harm.
  • The relationship between the person speaking and the person acting is irrelevant.
  • The statement does not have to be phrased as a rhetorical question.
  • The statement does not have to be made in anger or frustration.

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