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jebuz I've been Bluelinked from Australia Since: Jan, 2001
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#551: Nov 24th 2010 at 6:46:56 PM

This isn't going anywhere. There is equal support for both Will No One Rid Me Of This Priest and When I Said Get Rid Of Him in the crowner. I'm about ready to flip a coin and make one the trope name and the other a redirect. I think it's about time we just set a deadline and use the name that is in the lead by then.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#552: Nov 24th 2010 at 6:47:26 PM

[up][up][up] >"There's a certain flavour to some of the especially literal TRS titles that's pretty much instantly detectable."

This makes no sense in the context of the fact that other people have been complaining that the title is too ambiguous!

The whole "TRS only ever comes up with crappy, boring, too-literal titles" thing is a: still wrong and b: been done over so many times that I'm not going to rehash it. But not every rename is going to be a home run and them's the breaks.

I put "Will No One Rid Me Of This" on the crowner because I figure there's nothing to lose at this point other than being scolded. I'm getting closer and closer to declaring "Screw it, let this trope rot in obscurity."

edited 24th Nov '10 6:48:58 PM by Elle

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
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#553: Nov 25th 2010 at 8:00:15 AM

Idiomatic Statement Taken As Desire With Unwanted Results

Or, turn it into an acronym: ISTADWUD.

Yeah, I know, scraping the bottom of the barrel, but I want this over.

edited 25th Nov '10 8:01:10 AM by Roxor

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mmysqueeant I'm A Dirty Cowboy from Essairrrrcks Since: Oct, 2010
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#554: Nov 25th 2010 at 8:13:28 AM

[up] That makes me laugh. I would vote for that.

I think that this is one of the things people should know. But blah blah counter-arguments, more complicated, blah, gone over everything already, blah blah blah. FINE. Sigh.

I really don't think the poll is going to come to any conclusion though, unless 2-3 people just outright switch sides from exasperation.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#555: Nov 25th 2010 at 12:16:01 PM

As much as I complain about admin fiat being thrown around where it's not wanted, I think this is a case where it's wanted to break the deadlock, one way or another, as happened with the Lolita tropes. Anyone second the motion?

edited 25th Nov '10 12:16:31 PM by Elle

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#556: Nov 25th 2010 at 12:21:08 PM

I wouldn't mind one at the moment sheerly on the basis that we seem unable to choose one ourselves.

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#557: Nov 25th 2010 at 12:25:54 PM

No consensus in sight. Fiat seems good.

You can tell we're feeling the Just Launch It Already fatigue when Idiomatic Statement Taken As Desire With Unwanted Results it at a net positive in the crowner.

edited 25th Nov '10 12:27:13 PM by troacctid

fawn Since: Aug, 2009
#558: Nov 25th 2010 at 12:50:28 PM

I really like Idiomatic Statement Taken As Desire With Unwanted Results. It is kinda long, but it is the clearest name for this trope I have seen so far.

edited 25th Nov '10 12:51:21 PM by fawn

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Daremo Misanthrope Supreme from Parts Unknown Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
#559: Nov 25th 2010 at 1:54:26 PM

I'm content with 'no action at this time'. Close topic, and see if it comes up again in three months or so.

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Twilightdusk Since: Jan, 2001
#560: Nov 25th 2010 at 2:28:48 PM

We voted in a crowner that his needs to be renamed. We are beyond the point of taking no action at all. If we want to pick the page up again at some later point to try to come up with a better name, then frankly, renaming it now does nothing to stop us from doing so.

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#561: Nov 25th 2010 at 4:14:29 PM

ISTADWUR is probably our best option, as it is Exactly What It Says on the Tin. It may be slightly comical, but that would arguably be Fridge Brilliance when you consider how silly it was that a discussion about the name of one trope lasted this long. I'd even suggest perhaps a link to this thread on the article page and/or its laconic section.

BritBllt Since: Jan, 2001
#562: Nov 25th 2010 at 4:40:41 PM

As much as I hate to suggest something that's not the historical phrase, how about Rhetorical Murder Blunder? Or, since the trope's not specifically about murder, Rhetorical Order Blunder? We need something pithy that's easy to remember and pothole, and this trope's pretty closely related to Rhetorical Question Blunder (in both cases you say something that wasn't supposed to get a response, but someone misunderstands and gives you one anyway).

edited 25th Nov '10 4:41:40 PM by BritBllt

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#563: Nov 25th 2010 at 4:56:17 PM

I like Rhetorical Order Blunder. Hell, I'd even say it arguably surpasses ISTADWUR because it is simple, relevant to the trope, and similar in wording to another established trope.

edited 25th Nov '10 5:03:39 PM by neoYTPism

SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up Since: Jan, 2010
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#564: Nov 25th 2010 at 5:11:44 PM

Rhetorical Order Blunder: my dictionary says a blunder is a "blooper", a comical or embarassing mistake/error. Unless the "rhetorical" is making my parsing go astray, I think that escapes the direction of this trope in the same sense that a rhetorical question blunder would have to be something like making the wrong rhetorical question, or using the wrong rhetorical for the situation (it makes feel it comes up as a sophisticated Last-Second Word Swap). But since I'm probably wrong on the aception of "blunder", I'm letting that pass.

Also, as much as I shouldn't be, I'm really upvoting Idiomatic Statement Taken As Desire With Unwanted Results. If it got to stick somehow, it would be one of the greatest trope names IMO, together with Bread, Eggs, Milk, Squick.

edited 25th Nov '10 5:12:46 PM by SilentReverence

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#565: Nov 25th 2010 at 5:44:48 PM

My nitpick with ISTDA...er...that, besides the length (which pushes even my tolerance for "concise isn't that important") , is that it does sound exactly like the extremely literal sort of name TRS gets accused of favoring as a straw man against the rename process (and that I argue would never realistically happen). Interesting irony.

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#566: Nov 25th 2010 at 6:18:12 PM

You mean, wouldn't happen even if it's in the lead? @ Elle

I'd say add Rhetorical Order Blunder to the crowner and ask what mods and/or admins think of it.

fawn Since: Aug, 2009
#567: Nov 25th 2010 at 6:39:29 PM

I just added Rhetorical Order Blunder to the Crowner. I like it, but I still like Idiomatic Statement Taken As Desire With Unwanted Results better.

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tbarrie Since: Jan, 2001
#568: Nov 25th 2010 at 6:54:39 PM

My nitpick with ISTDA...er...that, besides the length (which pushes even my tolerance for "concise isn't that important") , is that it does sound exactly like the extremely literal sort of name TRS gets accused of favoring as a straw man against the rename process (and that I argue would never realistically happen). Interesting irony.

That's the thing. It goes right past "boring and literal" to become funny and bizarre. It crosses the "boring and literal" line twice.

But as much as I like Idiomatic Statement Taken As Desire With Unwanted Results, I suspect it would only be really funny to those of us who've been participating in this thread.

edited 25th Nov '10 6:55:56 PM by tbarrie

Twilightdusk Since: Jan, 2001
#569: Nov 25th 2010 at 7:02:44 PM

[up] Yea, it has a certain appeal when you've been part of the seemingly endless process to just pick a name already that most viewers of the page wont understand.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#570: Nov 25th 2010 at 7:28:42 PM

- - > You mean, wouldn't happen even if it's in the lead? @ Elle

I mean that under normal circumstances, one would vote it into the lead in the first place if it made it onto the crowner at all, and for it to actually happen would fly in the face of my claims. Hence, irony.

I find the irony amusing, but just.

edited 25th Nov '10 7:29:31 PM by Elle

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#571: Nov 25th 2010 at 8:15:01 PM

I'm having trouble believing my eyes. I suggested it out of sheer desperation and wanting the thread to end, and people are actually seriously considering it!

Wow. Just, wow.

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#572: Nov 25th 2010 at 8:29:01 PM

It's also ironic that a trope related to misunderstandings has a name with so much potential for misinterpretation itself.

edited 25th Nov '10 8:29:40 PM by neoYTPism

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
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#573: Nov 25th 2010 at 9:59:23 PM

Idiomatic Statement Taken As Desire With Unwanted Results?

Seriously?

That's one of the worst, most unwieldy names I've ever seen. At what point do we sacrifice brevity and wit for clarity? Again, we're pandering to Viewers Are Morons right now. I've said this before, but I still haven't heard a good counterargument - what's wrong with a title that people have to click on to know what it means? Isn't the whole point of putting a trope name in a works page so that the reader will click and then read what it is about? I understand the desire for clarity, and I'm not against it, but this is just ridiculous.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#574: Nov 25th 2010 at 10:42:12 PM

Idiomatic Statement Taken As Desire With Unwanted Results Or, turn it into an acronym: ISTADWUD.
Idiomatic Statement Accidentally Implemented Directly With Horribly Apalling Turnout?

a.k.a. ISAIDWHAT?

edited 25th Nov '10 10:47:09 PM by Stratadrake

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#575: Nov 26th 2010 at 12:51:23 AM

Epic win @ Stratadrake

I would suggest either that or Rhetorical Order Blunder. And if ROB is used for the trope name I would still recommend using ISAIDWHAT for the laconic section.

AlternativeTitles: RidMeOfThisPriesttake2
20th Apr '10 12:00:00 AM

Crown Description:

The Definition that the name needs to fit is as follows:

A person says something he does not mean literally; he does not mean for it to happen. Someone else hears the statement and interprets it as an order or request. The person who heard it acts on it, believing it to be the genuine desire of the speaker. This results in something the person who made the statement did not want or expect. Upon learning that the non-order was carried out, the person thought to have issued it is displeased.

  • The speaker does not
    • have to be alone when he makes the statement,
    • have to believe that no one heard him say it.
  • His awareness of or lack of awareness of the person who heard him is irrelevant.
  • The result does not have to be death or even serious harm.
  • The relationship between the person speaking and the person acting is irrelevant.
  • The statement does not have to be phrased as a rhetorical question.
  • The statement does not have to be made in anger or frustration.

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