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Desertopa Not Actually Indie Since: Jan, 2001
Not Actually Indie
#176: Sep 5th 2010 at 10:00:15 AM

Because they like their titillation to be accompanied by some semblance of a plot?

Personally, I find most fanservice heavy comics tasteless, but I find most porn a lot more tasteless

...eventually, we will reach a maximum entropy state where nobody has their own socks or underwear, or knows who to ask to get them back.
SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
#177: Sep 5th 2010 at 2:09:15 PM

I personally read LL for the good character development and decent story, though I have to admit the fanservice is a bit of a plus.

That's just me, though. :/

CommandoDude Since: Jun, 2010
#178: Sep 6th 2010 at 10:43:25 PM

I hate when Tv tropers constantly whine about how "Hate Dumb" BWC is. When almost every article raises completely valid points, even if SOME of the articles flame the web comic.

Like the article on LICD. Which I found downright hilarious, and had some idiot crying about how BWC made fun of LICD, which it rightfully deserves to be.

Zersk o-o from Columbia District, BNA Since: May, 2010
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#179: Sep 6th 2010 at 10:44:55 PM

I hate when Tv tropers constantly whine about how "Hate Dumb" BWC is. When almost every article raises completely valid points, even if SOME of the articles flame the web comic.

Ah, but the problem is when they don't do it right. There is Hate Dumb there, no denying that.

edited 6th Sep '10 10:45:16 PM by Zersk

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Grue lurking from dark room Since: Nov, 2009
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#180: Sep 6th 2010 at 11:08:40 PM

The article on Nobody Scores doesn't raise a single valid point, so there's that. Not just because I disagree with it, it's just a shitty review all around. It is really half assed and completely missing the point. That said, I think the site is doing a pretty good job in general.

SabreJustice Since: Dec, 1969
#181: Sep 7th 2010 at 2:35:58 AM

The best reviews seem to be for comics that are actually bad, or at least deserve some scathing critique, rather than comics that are just reviewed for the sake of it.

Squall Since: Jan, 2001
#182: Sep 21st 2010 at 3:18:01 AM

Putting Mega Tokyo with the lowest of the low shows just how fscking stupid the people of the site are.

SabreJustice Since: Dec, 1969
#183: Sep 21st 2010 at 4:42:34 AM

On the internet, everything is either completely awesome and flawless and perfect, and everything else is utterly horrible dreck that never should have been made. The former are everything I like and the latter are everything I don't like. [/Hate Dumb mentality]

Marc3K Silent Rivers Run Deep from Classified Since: Jun, 2010
Silent Rivers Run Deep
#184: Sep 21st 2010 at 6:41:39 AM

The guy has quite the angry style, but I can't deny that 99% of what he's written about The Wotch is right. It is a tasteless, annoying, Unfortunate Implications-y, boring and stupid webcomic which fails terribly when it tries to make the story realistic and show the consequences of the main character's action's consequences, especially because by their logic, and thus in the webcomic, there aren't any.

Good boys go to Heaven, Bad Boys go everywhere else. And I'm both.
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#185: Sep 21st 2010 at 6:56:01 AM

That's because you try to do two things at once: reading a light-hearted Transformation Comic and thinking.

Next you'll tell me you also think when watching American action movies (or that you don't watch any because they're not thinky works).

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Marc3K Silent Rivers Run Deep from Classified Since: Jun, 2010
Silent Rivers Run Deep
#186: Sep 21st 2010 at 7:49:27 AM

I'm not one of those guys who can turn their brain off at will, though sometimes I enjoy stuff because it's so stupid (see why I've watched Manos The Hands Of Fate other than as a sleep aid). The Wotch is not lighthearted - in fact, it's almost like a publicity tool for the DOLLY organization, as it basically says that being born male is horrific, while being born female is Heaven On Earth (I STILL haven't gotten over that so-called 'Consequences' arc, and have to implement a lot of Fan Discontinuity to think about it without launching on a Rant). Case in point; MTF genderbends (other than Robin and Jason) STAY female, while FTM (eg. the DOLLY girls) NEVER do. It's a grossly sexist, Wall Banger-y, Unfortunate Implications-y rule.

edited 21st Sep '10 7:59:48 AM by Marc3K

Good boys go to Heaven, Bad Boys go everywhere else. And I'm both.
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#187: Sep 21st 2010 at 8:07:09 AM

Uhm... You can apply it to any work that follows the First Law of Gender Bending, you know.

Besides, Unfortunate Implications are just that: Unfortunate. As in, involuntary (most of the time). Usually when I see an Unfortunate Implication, I answer with the MST3K Mantra.

If you go too much out of your way to avoid them, you end up in the opposite extreme

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Marc3K Silent Rivers Run Deep from Classified Since: Jun, 2010
Silent Rivers Run Deep
#188: Sep 21st 2010 at 9:03:23 AM

Here, they didn't even try.

It wouldn't be so Unfortunate if it wasn't repeated over and over and 'over'.

Good boys go to Heaven, Bad Boys go everywhere else. And I'm both.
Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#189: Sep 21st 2010 at 10:36:20 AM

This site is still going on? I thought they moved or something.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#191: Sep 21st 2010 at 11:26:24 AM

Well, I did see them discussing Penny Arcade on the forum, of all things.

SabreJustice Since: Dec, 1969
#192: Sep 21st 2010 at 10:25:03 PM

I think they've just descended into hating for the sake of hating/Trolling for attention/Hate Dumb at this point.

And it doesn't really help. Accentuate the Negative 'reviews' of webcomics that a lot of people agree on as good only cheapens the reviews of actual bad comics.

edited 21st Sep '10 10:28:03 PM by SabreJustice

A_H_R Resistance is Futile from Crevice of your Mind Since: Feb, 2010
Resistance is Futile
#193: Sep 22nd 2010 at 2:33:47 AM

I noticed a huge difference between certain reviews.

The 'how I became yours' review was perfect. Long, well thought out, well researched.

And then other reviews were...not that.

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ninjaclown Since: May, 2009
#194: Sep 22nd 2010 at 8:06:47 AM

The Wotch is a piece of shit. You may not like this site, but they make several valid points.

EricDVH Since: Jan, 2001
#195: Sep 22nd 2010 at 5:37:42 PM

Squall: Putting Mega Tokyo with the lowest of the low shows just how fscking stupid the people of the site are.
When you get popular enough, standards rise, and MT is very popular. That's why the proverbial punching bag is there, after all.

Eric,

Naysayer child of a dark lexicon Since: Aug, 2010
child of a dark lexicon
#196: Sep 23rd 2010 at 10:53:46 AM

I think the problem with criticising Webcomics as opposed to something like Video Games is that the creators of the webcomics have a bigger prescence and perhaps aren't as 'big' as game developers. This causes us to perhaps empathise with the creators more, and view the critics as callous bullies. BWW is quite similiar to Zero Punctuation in that it's pretty cuastic, but Yatzhee isn't as reviled because he attacks big corporations instead of individuals. That said, Yatzheee is also liked because he's witty. and the Bad Webcomics Wiki lacks a lot of that wit.

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SabreJustice Since: Dec, 1969
#197: Sep 24th 2010 at 4:58:22 AM

^ Note that some of the biggest internet punching bags are also known for creators that are obnoxious, egotistic or otherwise as fun or even more fun to mock than their comics. If the creators are unknown, generally pleasant- or, like the Penny Arcade guys, have made great contributions to onling and gamer culture and done charity stuff- then BWW starts to look like the bad guy.

This is probably gonna go the way of Your Webcomic Is Bad And You Should Feel Bad: they start attacking comics that people actually like and it completely discredits them.

edited 24th Sep '10 5:03:34 AM by SabreJustice

EricDVH Since: Jan, 2001
#198: Sep 24th 2010 at 6:28:13 AM

Nah, I think the major reason is the persecution complex that the webcomic scene has. As much as gamers whine about being misunderstood or outcast, everyone knows full well that huge numbers of people play games, and as a result gamers have developed naturally thicker skins. In contrast, webcomics (heck, comics in general, funny pages aside) are both obscure and thickly wreathed in cultural contempt, so pretty much any specific instance of criticism or mockery is immediately perceived as a categorical put-down.

Also, YWIBAYSFB was never discredited, only oversensitive infantile whiners complained, same as ZP.

Eric,

edited 24th Sep '10 6:32:24 AM by EricDVH

SabreJustice Since: Dec, 1969
#199: Sep 24th 2010 at 8:03:00 AM

^ Hoo boy. And seriously, you're stereotyping all webcomic authors as Small Name, Big Ego types who can't take criticism?

Rebochan from Kalevala (Y2K) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#200: Sep 24th 2010 at 7:59:35 PM

I've never understood the logic that a Caustic Critic is above criticism for some reason. After all, if said individual's criticism is ill-thought out and their comedy rather lacking, it shouldn't matter if they're picking on Pastel Defender Heliotrope or Penny Arcade.

I thought YWIBAYSFB was pretty lousy too. Making up information about the author of VG Cats just to rip on him was pretty lousy - especially when it wasn't necessary for ripping on VG Cats.


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