I hate when Tv tropers constantly whine about how "Hate Dumb" BWC is. When almost every article raises completely valid points, even if SOME of the articles flame the web comic.
Like the article on LICD. Which I found downright hilarious, and had some idiot crying about how BWC made fun of LICD, which it rightfully deserves to be.
Ah, but the problem is when they don't do it right. There is Hate Dumb there, no denying that.
edited 6th Sep '10 10:45:16 PM by Zersk
ᐅᖃᐅᓯᖅ ᐊᑕᐅᓯᖅ ᓈᒻᒪᔪᐃᑦᑐᖅThe article on Nobody Scores
doesn't raise a single valid point, so there's that. Not just because I disagree with it, it's just a shitty review all around. It is really half assed and completely missing the point. That said, I think the site is doing a pretty good job in general.
Putting Mega Tokyo with the lowest of the low shows just how fscking stupid the people of the site are.
On the internet, everything is either completely awesome and flawless and perfect, and everything else is utterly horrible dreck that never should have been made. The former are everything I like and the latter are everything I don't like. [/Hate Dumb mentality]
The guy has quite the angry style, but I can't deny that 99% of what he's written about The Wotch is right. It is a tasteless, annoying, Unfortunate Implications-y, boring and stupid webcomic which fails terribly when it tries to make the story realistic and show the consequences of the main character's action's consequences, especially because by their logic, and thus in the webcomic, there aren't any.
Good boys go to Heaven, Bad Boys go everywhere else. And I'm both.That's because you try to do two things at once: reading a light-hearted Transformation Comic and thinking.
Next you'll tell me you also think when watching American action movies (or that you don't watch any because they're not thinky works).
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."I'm not one of those guys who can turn their brain off at will, though sometimes I enjoy stuff because it's so stupid (see why I've watched Manos The Hands Of Fate other than as a sleep aid). The Wotch is not lighthearted - in fact, it's almost like a publicity tool for the DOLLY organization, as it basically says that being born male is horrific, while being born female is Heaven On Earth (I STILL haven't gotten over that so-called 'Consequences' arc, and have to implement a lot of Fan Discontinuity to think about it without launching on a Rant). Case in point; MTF genderbends (other than Robin and Jason) STAY female, while FTM (eg. the DOLLY girls) NEVER do. It's a grossly sexist, Wall Banger-y, Unfortunate Implications-y rule.
edited 21st Sep '10 7:59:48 AM by Marc3K
Good boys go to Heaven, Bad Boys go everywhere else. And I'm both.Uhm... You can apply it to any work that follows the First Law of Gender Bending, you know.
Besides, Unfortunate Implications are just that: Unfortunate. As in, involuntary (most of the time). Usually when I see an Unfortunate Implication, I answer with the MST3K Mantra.
If you go too much out of your way to avoid them, you end up in the opposite extreme
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."Well, I did see them discussing Penny Arcade on the forum, of all things.
I think they've just descended into hating for the sake of hating/Trolling for attention/Hate Dumb at this point.
And it doesn't really help. Accentuate the Negative 'reviews' of webcomics that a lot of people agree on as good only cheapens the reviews of actual bad comics.
edited 21st Sep '10 10:28:03 PM by SabreJustice
I noticed a huge difference between certain reviews.
The 'how I became yours' review was perfect. Long, well thought out, well researched.
And then other reviews were...not that.
New User HandleI think the problem with criticising Webcomics as opposed to something like Video Games is that the creators of the webcomics have a bigger prescence and perhaps aren't as 'big' as game developers. This causes us to perhaps empathise with the creators more, and view the critics as callous bullies. BWW is quite similiar to Zero Punctuation in that it's pretty cuastic, but Yatzhee isn't as reviled because he attacks big corporations instead of individuals. That said, Yatzheee is also liked because he's witty. and the Bad Webcomics Wiki lacks a lot of that wit.
Warriors, torchbearers, come redeem our dreams. Shine a light upon this night of otherworldly fiends.^ Note that some of the biggest internet punching bags are also known for creators that are obnoxious, egotistic or otherwise as fun or even more fun to mock than their comics. If the creators are unknown, generally pleasant- or, like the Penny Arcade guys, have made great contributions to onling and gamer culture and done charity stuff- then BWW starts to look like the bad guy.
This is probably gonna go the way of Your Webcomic Is Bad And You Should Feel Bad: they start attacking comics that people actually like and it completely discredits them.
edited 24th Sep '10 5:03:34 AM by SabreJustice
Nah, I think the major reason is the persecution complex that the webcomic scene has. As much as gamers whine about being misunderstood or outcast, everyone knows full well that huge numbers of people play games, and as a result gamers have developed naturally thicker skins. In contrast, webcomics (heck, comics in general, funny pages aside) are both obscure and thickly wreathed in cultural contempt, so pretty much any specific instance of criticism or mockery is immediately perceived as a categorical put-down.
Also, YWIBAYSFB was never discredited, only oversensitive infantile whiners complained, same as ZP.
edited 24th Sep '10 6:32:24 AM by EricDVH
^ Hoo boy. And seriously, you're stereotyping all webcomic authors as Small Name, Big Ego types who can't take criticism?
I've never understood the logic that a Caustic Critic is above criticism for some reason. After all, if said individual's criticism is ill-thought out and their comedy rather lacking, it shouldn't matter if they're picking on Pastel Defender Heliotrope or Penny Arcade.
I thought YWIBAYSFB was pretty lousy too. Making up information about the author of VG Cats just to rip on him was pretty lousy - especially when it wasn't necessary for ripping on VG Cats.

Because they like their titillation to be accompanied by some semblance of a plot?
Personally, I find most fanservice heavy comics tasteless, but I find most porn a lot more tasteless
...eventually, we will reach a maximum entropy state where nobody has their own socks or underwear, or knows who to ask to get them back.