TLP workstation thread

I'd say the Bahamut example of D&D is valid. Gygax very clearly was using the Babylonian Deity, but made it into a dragon to be a better fit with Tiamat who did have a representation as a dragon in Babylonian mythology (although not a five-headed, land-based one). Besides, a huge fish is really hard to work into dungeon crawl scenarios... I would also argue that D&D is the codifier of Bahamut as a dragon, not Final Fantasy.

Given the explanation upthread, I would also say that the FF "Shiva" may not an example; the only things that are borrowed from the Hindu god is the name and the blue skin, and that could well be simply a bit of wordplay on "shiver" and the idea of being "blue from cold". But check to see how closely she aligns with the yukionna; that might be the example.

edited 26th Mar '17 3:51:00 PM by Madrugada

I see Dn D is the Trope Maker but it is rather murky and possible a case of Fan Myopia on my part (mainly due to thinking FF might be more popular in Japan, where most of the Bahamut Dragons tend to be. Though I wonder if that could serve as a trope in its own right.) Regardless I'll remove the Trope Codifier bit from Bahamut's FF entry until I can find a way to confirm it.

Right now I;'m researching the Shiva/Yuki-Onna connection.

• Right Now a possible connection would be in the depiction as a willowy pale woman, but even then I don't see cases of Yuki-onna having hair and from what I've seen of yuki-onna, they seem to be a lot more modest than Shiva in Final Fantasy (then again according to The Other Wiki, some legends describe them as nude).
• There is a case of personality. Yuki-Onna are described as viscous and wanting to kill their prey. But others claim that they would let potential victums go for various reasons. Which would kinda fit Shiva to an extent (Shiva is considered one of the friendliest summons due to only needing to fight her and win to obtain the summon, and not displaying malice during those fights.
  • Specific cases of this tendency include XIII (where all the Eidolons fight their respective party member as a Secret Test of Character), XIV (even regarding the Primals' Adaptational Villainy, Shiva or more specifically the person who channeled Shiva, Ysayle, becomes one of the Warrors of Light's notable companions during the initial part of Heavensward's campaign), XV (in which Shiva is a close ally of Noctis and his group, but acts in a subtle manor)
• While researching Shiva, I noticed that her colect-a-card in Theatrhythm had an Ice Breath attack, and that some legends state that the Yuki-onna would freeze hapless travelers in snowstorms. Make of that what you will.

Over all I think its possible that Shiva might eb based on a Yuki-onna, and will rephrase the example to reflect that, but I think more opinions on this is needed before I decide to keep or cut it.

edited 26th Mar '17 5:42:19 PM by MorningStar1337

Generally, I think the examples can be more parallel, so to speak. For example: "Daedalus is a missle-spewing Humongous Mecha, instead of a mortal man who doomed his son to a botched escape plan" could be "Daedalus is a missile-spewing Humongous Mecha rather than the human from Greek Mythology." I mean, the being-a-mecha thing isn't related to his dooming-his-son thing.

Also, I think the example ought to reference the mythology or explain the mythological and modern characters. I think it is relevant context to know, for example, what Procne is supposed to be (a Giant Flyer is incorrect or is Procne two birds or not a bird?). An example that fits what I mean is the Golden Sun example for Moloch. It tells us from where this character comes, what he should be, and what the modern work got wrong.

I don't think a Shout-Out should count as this trope. My concern is that if Work-A gets it wrong, then all the Shout Outs to Work-A will also be wrong. There would just be a lot of inflation, I think, and the shout-outs are not technically wrong if they get it correct from the wrong source... That said, Work-A's example would be valid, I think. I'm not asking for a whole lot of research, just a check on the Shout-Out pages that we already have.

Beowulf is from a poem whose author is lost to history. He was already a legend by then. I know the written story was originally in Old English, which is why I think it has a connection to Norse Mythology. I just can't remember if it is or not. le shrug

edited 26th Mar '17 8:41:41 PM by WaterBlap

I'm the right changes, but I'm pretty sure Beowulf was a character adapted into legend (via Shakespeare) instead of being from Norse Mythology.

Dadelus I will also change becuase there is more to him than just unintentionally dooming his son, Icarus.

Persephone's Demon Maid description might actually be a case of Everyone Hates Hades and specifically, the related "all underworlds are hell" mentality. I'll see what I can do to add that to the example.

edited 26th Mar '17 7:39:15 PM by MorningStar1337

Okay now I have another problem...this time with the title.

I want to know which title fits the trope better while conforming to the standards of Clear Concise Witty. Mythcharacterization, Hollywood Mythological Figures, or a different name entirely.

On a more substantial note. I want to ask if anyone thinks there are examples from the following books that fits the trope or not:

• Tom Holt novels
• The Camp Half-Blood Series
• American Gods

And finally I ask if the description can be changed to be clearer?

The Camp Half-Blood books try pretty hard to stay in line with characterization from the myths, so they probably won't have many examples.

I'd like get opinions on an proposed index or two...which I imagine goes through TLP just as much as tropes. Inspired by the proposed 52-Episode Cartoon index that recently got necroed, and the 65-Episode Cartoon index that exists, I'm considering getting the ball rolling on one of these:

• Anime Short Series (or Short-Series Anime) is the one I'm particularly interested in working on
• Anime Long Series (or Long-Series Anime) is a logical sister trope, but I'd rather not work on two indexes at once

There are actually significant differences between the two and it can be a springboard for people to find specific works. Short series anime are usually 13 or 26 episodes, 52 if we stretch it that far, and tend to have a more compacted and rapidly moving storyline, a higher budget per episode, and rather faithful ties to the manga. If tied to an ongoing manga, short series have an abrupt non-canon ending — often indicating that it's an effort to take the temperature of the TV viewing audience. Long series anime will run the course of the manga, (or the anime's profitability) will stretch things out with filler such as landscape shots and dramatic pauses, insert filler arcs to keep from overtaking the manga, and run nonstop weekly for years (if not decades) at a time.

Thoughts?

edited 29th Mar '17 9:28:15 AM by sarysa

Okay It appears my recent questions regarding my draft are still unanswered. For that I want to ask to make a crowner for the name and then if the draft becomes ready to launch after the name is chosen?

edited 30th Mar '17 3:36:05 PM by MorningStar1337

Okay I decided on a name crowner that is to be called today (the current title of Sadly Mythcharacterized is the leading...barely) I am bumping this thread because I want to know if the Persona games count for the draft linked above.

On the one hand, the franchise not only had the usual Megaten demons, but also its own exclusive takes on mythic figures, such as Izanagi, Nemesis, Hyperion, Helios, Maia, Hecate and Anat. On the other hand, the reason for this is because the Personae are made from their wielder's subconscious. I want to make sure they fit the "is inspired by" category before adding any examples.

edited 7th Apr '17 6:26:46 AM by MorningStar1337

I need more input on a name for "All Must Be Erased". The current title is a fairly unintuitive snowclone of "All Just a Dream".

UPDATE: There is now a name crowner, if anyone wants to vote

edit: done

Edited by WolfMattGrey on Nov 13th 2020 at 11:37:44 AM

Please help with Professional Wrestling Of The 2010s! I need hats so I'll be able to launch this index and shorten The New '10s!

Also, please rename this topic to "TLP Workstation Thread".

edited 16th Nov '17 4:50:18 AM by Piterpicher

Wanting help with LitRPG, as it's to take over from Red Links...

Genre Trope, so... Is this a good description, and can anyone think of some examples?

... I'm thinking I should ditch the "must be a fictional game" requirement, but any changes I make to the description must be mirrored in RPG Mechanics 'Verse where I ripped the description from?

Over on "Doesn't Understand Sex" we're currently in a disagreement over whether this should be "either kids or adults who don't understand this" or "just adults" or "just kids." The idea is that misunderstanding or not comprehending this thing has totally different meanings for the different age groups. I think the "just adults" part is too rare, but lump-able. idk

Also, we haven't yet agreed on a name.

So far, it's just be me and another troper discussing it, so I figured I'd bring it up here.

There are some matters that I want to try to clear up before I go about launching Invented Lingustic Distinction, a trope about using different accents, dialects, writing styles, etc. to distinguish characters based on their different fictional nationalities and cultural backgrounds.

Most importantly, I fear that there might be too much overlap with Multicultural Alien Planet, especially since the content of MAP's examples seem to stretch slightly beyond what the trope itself suggests. I want to make certain that this new trope is distinct enough from it to have it's own page.

If not, I'd like to talk about making some revisions to either it or the latter trope. I feel that the creative blindspot that I'm attempting to launch Invented Lingustic Distinction to cover needs to be addressed and that matters more to me than what trope ends up being used to do it.

edited 8th Feb '18 7:56:00 AM by Sniper_Maxter

The draft currently known as Flashlight Bite is getting bombs and notes that "This is People Sit On Chairs." I agree, the description currently can be summarized as "someone holds a flashlight with his/her mouth." Despite that, I see the potential for a salvageable tropable idea. Specifically, I see how this draft could become visual shorthand for indicating someone does this because he/she is talented at manual multitasking, e.g. The Engineer archetype - similar how Cutlass Between the Teeth is visual shorthand for fierce pirates. Now the question is, how can the draft be rewritten to emphasize that?

You should mention that in the draft comments. Also, there was a draft a while ago about video game characters being inferred to hold their flashlight between their teeth because their hands were otherwise occupied. It was a terrible idea for a trope, but if you could find it you could example mine.

I already proposed the potential visual shorthand I was seeing on Flashlight Bite before posting here. The draft's sponsor hasn't updated the description accordingly, if I were to guess why, it might be because (s)he's busy with other things, still deciding whether or not to take my advice, or just plain has writer's block.

Also, I found the older draft you were talking about, called Hands-free Handlamp. Example-mining it would only be useful as something to do after Flashlight Bite gets fixed, not as an attempt to fix it. Still, thanks for the resource anyway.

We're having trouble coming up with a name for the trope currently drafted as Distinguishing Character Epithet (i.e. "Customisable video game characters have a set title so everyone knows who you're talking about").

- Name Of The Nameless? Name Is Constant? ... Using Name instead of any longer synonym would makes it more concise?

edited 30th Mar '18 1:31:57 PM by Malady

Setting up the draft for Rage Games. I can admit that the description is basic, but it does describe it simply. Also, any more examples?

With my draft Pirate Song, I'm trying to decide whether or not examples involving vikings should be included. Is the music associated with pirates and vikings similar enough to be put together in the same trope?

As I'm now handling the draft "All Canadian Police Are Mounties", as I called for the unlaunch of this trope after a rogue launch spree a year ago, are there some things that are missing, aside from two examples that are ZCE?

Also, can anyone help expand these aforementioned examples?

edited 25th Apr '18 10:21:58 AM by alnair20aug93

I drafted up Full Health Perk recently and would appreciate help cultivating some more examples (and maybe some critique on the description). While the trope is mainly for video games, tabletop examples probably exist and would readily be accepted.

edited 27th Apr '18 12:58:46 PM by Karxrida