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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#76: Jan 1st 2011 at 8:54:18 AM

What does being bald have anything to do with woobie status? You're just automatically suppose to think she lost it due to lukemia or something?

helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#77: Jan 1st 2011 at 9:19:31 AM

...I was just being specific about which one I was referring to. I could have said Talitha if I wanted, but people would have asked who that was. tongue

Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#78: Jan 1st 2011 at 11:18:15 AM

Having just beat Mass Effect 2... Jack is not a Woobie really she is a Jerkass Woobie and she looks it too.

edited 1st Jan '11 11:19:26 AM by Raso

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TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#79: Jan 1st 2011 at 11:25:57 AM

Yeah, there's also the fact that it's hard to tell which character in that pic is supposed to be the Woobie. And again, it's not that it has to be a main character, but I think a character who shows up for more than just an optional scene.

Though to be honest, I've always found Freya to be an even bigger woobie in Final Fantasy IX, but that's a completely different argument.

Oh, well. There's always Cubone.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#81: Jan 1st 2011 at 11:58:08 AM

Just calling on the thread title. A reference you don't get is not the definition of Fan Myopia.

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#82: Jan 1st 2011 at 2:31:44 PM

Fan Myopia is when a fan thinks their favorite work is much more popular than it actually is. Look, I get you might be like the world's biggest Final Fantasy fan, okay? I'm not criticizing you one bit for that. I get you may feel that everybody should know who Vivi is. But not everybody does. The image does not convey how Vivi is a Woobie. The image is Just A Face And A Caption. It does not look like a video game character. And that's why the image has to go.

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Acritdy Since: Dec, 1969
#83: Jan 1st 2011 at 2:37:38 PM

And again, it's not that it has to be a main character, but I think a character who shows up for more than just an optional scene.

Why does this have to be the case? Why can't it just be a picture that illustrates the trope without its subject requiring extensive history and involvement in their source work?

TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#84: Jan 1st 2011 at 3:05:33 PM

[up][up]And yet you seem to be under the impression everyone does know the context for that Mass Effect screenshot.

To put things in perspective, Final Fantasy IX sold 5,000,000+ units. Mass Effect sold roughly 2,000,000+ units. Vivi is a main character in Final Fantasy IX. The Mass Effect example is from a completely optional scene that only shows up for one of three selectable backgrounds.

I'm sorry you never played Final Fantasy IX, but you seem to be under the strange assumption that because you never played it, it must be an obscure game and that a one-off scene from Mass Effect is somehow better.

And again, the idea that it has too look like it's from a game is just silly, as there is very little that could illustrate the concept and be recognizable as game footage.

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#85: Jan 1st 2011 at 3:08:31 PM

No, no one is saying that it has to be Mass Effect, but if the criticism of the earlier image was the quality then a better one might have worked. If the criticism however is due to not everyone knowing who the character is...is there a bit where Lara Croft is a Woobie?

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TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#86: Jan 1st 2011 at 3:13:40 PM

I doubt everyone knows who Lara Croft is, either. Especially since she isn't really characterized as a woobie.

To be blunt, your criteria that everyone has to know who the character is is fairly ridiculous.

defunctzombie Since: Feb, 2010
#87: Jan 1st 2011 at 3:20:16 PM

Vivi is in Kingdom Hearts as well as Final Fantasy. He's well known enough for the article. Not everyone knows who Wall-E is but he's good enough for his part of the trope.

Like I said before, it's not about who we personally want, it's about who gets enough votes. What's the point of even holding a vote if the winning image is rejected?

Acritdy Since: Dec, 1969
#88: Jan 1st 2011 at 3:28:57 PM

To be blunt, your criteria that everyone has to know who the character is is fairly ridiculous.

Whereas your criteria seems to be that a character must be intimately linked with their source work to act as a one-shot illustration of our trope pages. Criteria you have yet to elaborate on.

TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#89: Jan 1st 2011 at 3:44:53 PM

[up][up]Exactly.

Hell, Vivi had the honor of being the only Final Fantasy character not designed by Tetsuya Nomura to show up in Kingdom Hearts (I think I recall hearing that he had a hand in Setzer's design with Amano providing the final illustration, but correct me if I'm wrong). That speaks quite a bit about his popularity.

[up]If you must know, I feel a truly good trope image should also be a good example of the trope in question (in this case, a character who sticks around long enough to have a full character arc to drive the woobiness home). If the image doesn't happen to be of a major character but illustrates the trope perfectly, fine. But the Mass Effect image was not a good example.

edited 1st Jan '11 3:46:11 PM by TheGunheart

helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#90: Jan 1st 2011 at 4:30:09 PM

[up] See, that's Fan Myopia. "This character is really popular in games I love/have played, and I think everyone knows who they are". There is not a single Final Fantasy character that is allowed to bypass JAFAAC identification. Indeed, only Mario is completely recognizable from that stand point. You have to think "if this person doesn't play games, will they recognize this character?" If you don't read comics, you will recognize Batman anyway. If you've never seen a Disney movie, you still know who Mickey Mouse is. Vivi doesn't pass that test.

WALL-E looks sympathetic. When you see his character design, don't you feel bad for him? That's the point. Vivi looks like a generic monster. It doesn't have a face, therefore it doesn't have an expression. The text in that image (which is a bit abstract anyway—who's this "we" he's talking about?) carries the image. If it were a picture of just Vivi, no one could possibly say he's a Woobie.

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#91: Jan 1st 2011 at 4:49:13 PM

To be blunt, your criteria that everyone has to know who the character is is fairly ridiculous.

That isn't actually my criteria. That was actually what you said, that the character needs to be well known. So can you come up with a well known video game character? You're the one who complained about the Mass Effect image, we want to see you do better.

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Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#92: Jan 1st 2011 at 4:50:43 PM

I find it hard to see Vivi as an anime character, mainly because for one, he hardly looks human at all, and two, it looks way to 3D-ish.

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#93: Jan 1st 2011 at 5:41:35 PM

Under the circumstances, then, it's pretty clear the only two options possible are the Cubone I posted or Luigi.

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#94: Jan 1st 2011 at 6:09:47 PM

Cubone is cute.

...Awww... waii

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#95: Jan 1st 2011 at 6:11:03 PM

And a Woobie. I think Cubone's a good idea.

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TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#96: Jan 1st 2011 at 6:27:50 PM

In case you missed it the first time.

I like it. I wish I could find a larger version, but it has a white background, which looks nice on a trope page. It also shows him crying, which illustrates the trope. Plus, he's a Pokemon, which means quite a few have heard of him.

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#97: Jan 1st 2011 at 6:49:03 PM

There should be plenty of images of Cubone crying. Cubone images on Bulbapedia. Some TCG arts: [1] [2] [3]

edited 1st Jan '11 6:50:20 PM by troacctid

tsstevens Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did from Reading tropes such as Righting Great Wrongs Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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#98: Jan 1st 2011 at 6:49:23 PM

But how are they a Woobie? It's just some monster in a card game isn't it?

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TheGunheart Some nights I rule the world (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#99: Jan 1st 2011 at 6:51:31 PM

Doesn't matter, according to Acritdy. It just has to illustrate the trope.

Besides, the fluff claims they're pretty much born woobies, since that's their mother's skull they're wearing.

tsstevens Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did from Reading tropes such as Righting Great Wrongs Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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#100: Jan 1st 2011 at 6:58:25 PM

So...you want the image to be misleading by having the character not a Woobie?

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