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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#176: Nov 11th 2010 at 9:26:46 PM

I would of prefered a crowner before messing with the page (everyone was still on the rename stage not splitting)... anyway we will still need a supertrope to both to put on the Elemental Powers page since only one gets listed.

EDIT: NVM seems someone edited all the sub-tropes and listed them as Main Pages.

edited 11th Nov '10 9:36:11 PM by Raso

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Rhatahema Since: Sep, 2010
#177: Nov 11th 2010 at 9:39:09 PM

Okay, I put the page back to what it was before I messed with it.

edited 11th Nov '10 9:39:20 PM by Rhatahema

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#178: Nov 12th 2010 at 6:29:43 PM

I think we need to determine whether we're going to split, and how, before we work out names for either the one trope or the two tropes. It's a lot more convenient that way, personally.

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#180: Nov 13th 2010 at 8:11:08 PM

[up] Wait... that isn't a trope already? (The literal meaning.)

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GiantSpaceChinchilla Since: Oct, 2009
#181: Nov 13th 2010 at 8:12:19 PM

[up][up] that works for me.

edited 13th Nov '10 8:12:34 PM by GiantSpaceChinchilla

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#182: Nov 13th 2010 at 8:16:30 PM

Nope. Shadow Boxing is not a trope at the moment and it's a great pun.

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#183: Nov 13th 2010 at 8:29:44 PM

Well someone who Shadow Boxes trying to show off, look threatning ect IMO is a trope I would YKTTW it if I could. (computer cought fire eariler today and my phone can't load YKTTW page since its so large.)

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#184: Nov 13th 2010 at 8:45:42 PM

I have never heard it to mean that. Literal shadow boxing is just fighting with your own shadow. It's how boxers train and it isn't really a trope. What you're talking about is a trope, but it's not shadow boxing.

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#185: Nov 13th 2010 at 9:09:37 PM

There are so many good names here. Why not put up a crowner for it?

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#187: Nov 14th 2010 at 4:16:05 AM

Once more: I don't think we should decide on names for the individual tropes until we decide whether there's more than one trope. This is a cart-before-the-horse thing.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#189: Nov 14th 2010 at 8:25:05 AM

I don't like it. "Shadow boxing" already has a figurative meaning...Shadow Boxing is when you are fighting against some perceived personal failing, typically used to indicate that you are wasting your energy focusing inwards.

oh shit, I think that figurative meaning is closer to another trope.

Sometimes in works people do fight against personifications of their own failings (like when you have Enemy Without but in a dreamscape) or dark secrets.

'Even ignoring that, it is a phrase associated with you fighting the shadow, not you fighting using shadows.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#190: Nov 14th 2010 at 8:51:29 AM

Shadow Boxing is when you are fighting against some perceived personal failing, typically used to indicate that you are wasting your energy focusing inwards.
Huh? I have never heard of that definition. Per dictionary.com, the definitions are:
  1. to make the motions of attack and defense, as in boxing, as a training or conditioning procedure.
  2. to evade or avoid direct or decisive action.

I don't think either can be used for another trope, so Shadow Boxing would be great as the "using shadows as weapons" trope.

'Even ignoring that, it is a phrase associated with you fighting the shadow, not you fighting using shadows.
But there are plenty of tropes that use phrases that don't mean exactly what the trope is. Also: there isn't a phrase that is associated with "fighting using shadows."

edited 14th Nov '10 8:55:06 AM by alliterator

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#191: Nov 14th 2010 at 10:27:45 AM

I managed to find this.

There's a difference between not meaning exactly what the trope is and meaning something that leads you away from the trope. It's a counter-intuitive name. "Shadow Boxing" will make people think of somebody fighting shadows. Is it another trope? It doesn't have to be for it to screw up the name.

There's no actual parallel between real life shadow boxing and this trope. Contrast it with the psychological use I mentioned which does.

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#192: Nov 14th 2010 at 11:17:37 AM

All the elemental powers have Punny Names that are usually associated with something else entirely. Playing with Fire doesn't sound like it's about fighting with fire powers. Shock and Awe doesn't sound like it's about fighting with electric powers.

Shadow Boxing, while not perfect ([up]point about it sounding like fighting against the shadows) is about on the same level as any of them.

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#193: Nov 14th 2010 at 11:52:44 AM

Why doesn't this topic have a crowner yet? There are so many good names with nothing wrong with them. I think the only way we're going to resolve this is by vote.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#194: Nov 14th 2010 at 12:22:45 PM

How about Pitching Black? It's a pun and works in the "wielding darkness" angle.

The only other one I got is Shooting Darks, which doesn't sound as good (and might be mistaken for racist).

edited 14th Nov '10 12:23:51 PM by alliterator

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#195: Nov 14th 2010 at 12:24:22 PM

I don;t know how to format crowners so could someone please put on up?

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silver2195 Since: Jan, 2001
#196: Nov 16th 2010 at 11:29:24 AM

Bump.

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#197: Nov 16th 2010 at 11:31:03 AM

FOR THE LAST TIME THIS TOPIC ISN"T GOING TO GET ANYWHERE UNTIL SOMEONE PUTS UP A CROWNER.

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#198: Nov 16th 2010 at 8:20:02 PM

Crowner made and hooked. I added the examples that jumped out at me from the last two pages. Someone else please add any I missed.

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#199: Nov 16th 2010 at 9:18:16 PM

Wow longest crowner I have ever seen...

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#200: Nov 16th 2010 at 9:23:29 PM

I wish I could cast two down votes for Its Always Darkest Before The Pwn. I hate it when people pronounce that "pawn". It's a typo of "own".

edited 16th Nov '10 9:23:46 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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