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Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#2501: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:23:18 PM

I think That One Guy is actually Yuuki Terumi in disguise.

edited 5th Feb '12 1:23:35 PM by Rynnec

Nicktendonick kaleidoscope walker from A place, not B place Since: Jan, 2010
kaleidoscope walker
#2502: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:27:56 PM

No, it's that Ragna who kills all his enemies inside the NOL, women, child, and man alike.

Personally, I think it's slander and propaganda by the NOL. why say he only killed his enemies? I could see that he'd kill everyone who attacked him in inside each building, giving them a "Listen here. I'm here to destroy this place. You stand in my way and attack me, I WILL kill you. Get out of the way, you stand no chance against me".

Then Hazama and the NOL kill everyone who didn't suicide by Ragna, and blame it on him. No survivors is always good propaganda for ensuring nobody gives him sympathy. I find it a bit tough to believe that he'd cut down a little child or a enemy who surrenders....

Oh, and I also think Saya might be Yan-yan towards her big brother...figuring Nu was...(also, when Noel reverted in CT, did she go Yan yan towards Ragna too?)

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#2503: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:27:56 PM

I was comedically exaggerating. Har Har. I don't think he's a complete monster. I just hate the guy.

I don't know, the game wants us to believe he's this tragic hero, but it's stated plenty of times the guy has killed more people than I could count. That makes it very hard for me to see him as a "good guy" (meow)

[up][up] Did my Avatar tip you off?

edited 5th Feb '12 1:28:38 PM by ThatOneGuyNamedX

Risetteer Since: Sep, 2009
#2504: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:29:31 PM

Good guys? Heroes? In Blaz Blue? That's a good one. [lol]

Ragna isn't a typical "hero". In fact, one could make the argument that he's not a hero at all. He's trying to destroy the NOL and everyone involved with it due to personal, selfish reasons, for one.

The only heroes are the joke characters.

edited 5th Feb '12 1:30:46 PM by Risetteer

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#2505: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:31:09 PM

Everyone is painted a cheerful shade of grey! Except, y'know, Hazama and stuff.

Bewitching Eyes
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#2506: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:32:20 PM

Well, Ragna does essentially save the whole world AND dies in the process. How does he do it? By fighting a world destroying monstrosity, non-stop, for an entire year. That's badass and heroic.

Nicktendonick kaleidoscope walker from A place, not B place Since: Jan, 2010
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#2507: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:32:25 PM

[up] That One Guy - Exactly. That's why I have a tough time believing it as well, and me thinking it's the NOL lying about that to make Ragna look bad and to ensure that public enemy #1 looks like True evil, not the True Neutral that he really is. As I said before, If I was the NOL, I would as heck not want to give Ragna any sympathetic views.

And you're wrong. He's not Hazama, he's secretly part of the Arc System Works staff and behind BB 3

[down] Yea. That's Bloodedge. Though I hear the novels mess with all this, and They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot

edited 5th Feb '12 1:34:31 PM by Nicktendonick

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
Risetteer Since: Sep, 2009
#2508: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:32:47 PM

[up][up] But that's not really Ragna Ragna.

edited 5th Feb '12 1:32:56 PM by Risetteer

Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#2509: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:33:14 PM

[up]x6 Yes, it's quite the Paper-Thin Disguise.

I don't think even Ragna considers himself a hero. Just a guy who's going after the people who've pissed him off.

edited 5th Feb '12 1:34:48 PM by Rynnec

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#2510: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:37:27 PM

Bloodedge is to Ragna as Hakumen is to Jin.

Bewitching Eyes
ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#2511: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:45:23 PM

Are we forgetting the absolutely positively one and only hero of the series'?

NO ONE ELSE BUT BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG *cue theme song*

To be honest, Bang is the only character with any sense in the whole series'. Out for revenge? Aiding the people is more important. Hates the NOL? Can't work completely against the system. The man put off his quest for revenge until the people of Ronin-Gai (Or running guy, as I call it) could protect and sustain themselves. Most importantly, HE KNOWS WHEN TO BACK DOWN FROM A FIGHT.

That makes him the only really intelligent character (besides Koko and maybe Rachel) in the whole series'. Period.

BTW @Rissetar: Do you change avatars every ten minutes or what? xD

edited 5th Feb '12 1:46:25 PM by ThatOneGuyNamedX

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#2512: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:47:03 PM

Bang's shaded grey as well. In his bad end he kills Jin and manages to break causality as a result.

Bewitching Eyes
ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#2513: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:48:40 PM

Which he resents. And canonically, he hasn't killed anyone else. And Jin's thing was mostly a thing of honor, what with him super-freezing his master to death. Must be though to fight the head of the Lin-Kuei and not kill him. Plus Jin's an asshole, he deserved it.

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
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#2514: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:50:30 PM

Aren't bad endings non-canon anyway? And I guess there are some "good" characters who just had bad bosses. All people from NOL(Sans Jin and Hazama, obviously) are pretty decent, Tager is a reasonable fellow as well.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#2515: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:52:58 PM

Given that Rachel was in Phantom's trap in the true ending, I think her bad end was canonical.

And if her bad end is canon, then she managed to troll Terumi. Which is a Good Thing.

edited 5th Feb '12 1:53:28 PM by asterism

Bewitching Eyes
ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#2516: Feb 5th 2012 at 1:54:48 PM

Forgot Tager. He's cool too, I guess. And Lambda.

Why is everyone (in-game and in fandom) so mad at Kokonoe's nuclear arsenal? it's the only reasonable thing to do if THE WHOLE WORLD IS ABOUT TO END. It's the Only Way to Be Sure!

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#2517: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:01:43 PM

Because it probably wouldn't work on a ghost. And she was going to blow up Kagutsuchi. Which is, y'know, filled with innocent people.

Bewitching Eyes
X2X You'll never see it coming... from the Darkness Beyond Time Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
You'll never see it coming...
#2518: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:03:02 PM

Well, nukes didn't do crap against the Black Beast, so I'm skeptical that they'd do anything in this scenario (Terumi's seen the time loops; he's got to have something up his sleeves for Kokonoe). Nuking the world to kill the Big Bad really isn't going to make things better. It'll arguably make 'em worse.

[up] That too.

edited 5th Feb '12 2:04:07 PM by X2X

"Just wants a friend but had to give up his ding dong for it, tragic." - AngelLightStar
ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#2519: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:03:30 PM

[up] She wasn't planning on Nuking the whole world, just Kagutsuchi. And I believe they never used the Nuclear Option against the beast.

[up][up]Point taken. Regardless, she doesn't know that.

edited 5th Feb '12 2:04:41 PM by ThatOneGuyNamedX

Nicktendonick kaleidoscope walker from A place, not B place Since: Jan, 2010
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#2520: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:05:30 PM

Silly Koko, we all know that cell phone radiation kill ghosts.

I read a doujin (I can't seem to find many from Blaz Blue) that shipped Kokonoe with Ragna. Do you think they'd get along, do you think they could?
Oh man, my inner Hazama is tingling. I'd love to see Jubei's face if he finds out his "student" has hooked up with his daughter.

edited 5th Feb '12 2:07:23 PM by Nicktendonick

Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
Risetteer Since: Sep, 2009
#2521: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:07:43 PM

Kokonoe and Ragna? Insert Dead Spike joke here.

ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#2523: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:10:21 PM

[up]... D: God, no.

I'm willing to everything, but not that. Hell, I can even work with Carlxwhoever.

Okay, not really. Regardless, Kokonoex Ragna could be pretty lulzy... But what with Lambda being Nu and all?

Risetteer Since: Sep, 2009
#2524: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:11:26 PM

Kokonoe would send Lambda and Tager out on some pointless mission. Get everyone out of the way for a quiet, romantic night of... experimenting.

X2X You'll never see it coming... from the Darkness Beyond Time Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
You'll never see it coming...
#2525: Feb 5th 2012 at 2:11:28 PM

@ X: That was more an exaggeration, but nuking innocents just to get to Relius and Terumi = bad.

Didn't Hakumen say that nukes were the reason the world was nearly decimated 100 years ago? And didn't Jin get thrown 100 years into the past to become Hakumen? I'm pretty sure that the Dark War took place back then as well, although it's possible they didn't try that with the Black Beast.

edited 5th Feb '12 2:11:49 PM by X2X

"Just wants a friend but had to give up his ding dong for it, tragic." - AngelLightStar

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