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BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#1276: Jul 1st 2023 at 5:55:51 AM

Watching Arlo's stream VOD I've noticed something I was never paying attention to in my own playthrough: The Dandori Battle CPU is honestly pretty bad at Dandori. He always picks up items off the ground by throwing Pikmin at them one by one, never using the charging horn even though he does have it (he uses it to fight Fiery Blowhogs); his dog, Moss, has a upgraded carrying ability but he never has her help Pikmin carry heavy objects; at one point he slowly threw exactly 11 Pikmin at an apple with a weight of 12 and then just walked away to do something else; on multiple occasions he has Moss knock fruit down to the ground with her rush and then does not grab the fruit; at one point he heads to Arlo's onion and attempts to take the pellets from there, but the pikmin waiting underneath the onion are close enough to automatically steal the pellets from the single pikmin the AI assigns to carry them, so he's effectively just giving Arlo free points when he does that.

I wonder if the higher difficulty Dandori battles will have smarter AI or just more complicated levels.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#1277: Jul 1st 2023 at 7:40:00 AM

I suspect the AI is purposefully stupid at low levels.

RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1278: Jul 1st 2023 at 6:14:48 PM

Huh, you can find a Candypop Bud in the demo if you enter Aquiferous Summit without any Red Pikmin. Makes sense.

EDIT: Pikmin 1 Pikmin are idiots, holy shit.

Edited by RacattackForce on Jul 1st 2023 at 10:23:09 AM

doomrider7 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1279: Jul 1st 2023 at 8:12:28 PM

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I've always noticed that Yellow Pikmin just seem...smarter, or at very least less death prone. Could be truth in-game since out of all the Pikmin, they're consistently shown to be the most thriving.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#1280: Jul 1st 2023 at 8:35:31 PM

[up][up]Of course they are, they're extinct...practically.

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MetalMichelangelo Since: Nov, 2012
#1281: Jul 1st 2023 at 9:28:38 PM

Something I noticed but forgot to mention about the Pikmin 4 demo. Using Ice Pikmin to bring nutrients back to the onion only produced red pikmin even after getting the farlic.

MetaflarePrime Urara-lala~! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
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#1282: Jul 1st 2023 at 9:31:19 PM

In pikmin 4, you have to find the onions that match the color of the pikmin in order to produce more of them. you start with red, and you can eventually find yellow easily enough, and blue if you try really hard. until then though, all pikmin produced will be red.

MetalMichelangelo Since: Nov, 2012
#1283: Jul 1st 2023 at 9:34:57 PM

Where does that leave species outside the primary color originals? Is it like 2 where you can only get purple and white pikmin from candy pop buds?

Edited by MetalMichelangelo on Jul 1st 2023 at 11:35:06 AM

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#1284: Jul 1st 2023 at 9:36:28 PM

We don't know. This is only the first area of the game after all. But in the demo, you can only obtain more ice pikmin by encountering them in caves

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#1285: Jul 1st 2023 at 9:45:23 PM

Well some data mining has shown that there will be onions of every pikmin type except for the glow pikmin.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#1286: Jul 1st 2023 at 10:12:06 PM

That was pretty obvious when they all but implied that in the trailer.

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#1287: Jul 2nd 2023 at 8:24:33 AM

The new Pikmin look so cute, I'm really excited to play. Although I am kinda sad that the characters from Pikmin 3 don't appear to be present

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#1288: Jul 2nd 2023 at 9:14:23 AM

[up][up][up]They're actually going to give us a Purple Pikmin onion? Interesting. I would have thought they'd consider them too OP. Although I guess with only three types at a time you lose a lot of utility.

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#1289: Jul 2nd 2023 at 10:45:03 AM

I mean, the need to find Candypop Buds in 2 was more of an inconvenience than a hard limit.

MetalMichelangelo Since: Nov, 2012
#1290: Jul 2nd 2023 at 11:04:20 AM

Since cave exploring is back, I want to be able to swap Pikmin.

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
MetalMichelangelo Since: Nov, 2012
#1292: Jul 2nd 2023 at 11:26:44 AM

If you went underground in Pikmin 2 you couldn't change your squad since the onions remained above ground.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#1293: Jul 2nd 2023 at 11:32:36 AM

If the Demo is any indication...there may not be a point to that.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#1294: Jul 2nd 2023 at 11:55:26 AM

I think being able to pick your team before going in and jump to specific sublevels make that irrelevant. They even have it recommend a specific team based on the hazards there.

Edited by Kostya on Jul 2nd 2023 at 3:00:15 PM

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#1295: Jul 2nd 2023 at 4:13:17 PM

Pikmin 1 Pikmin are idiots, holy shit.

My history with the series has been Pikmin 3 on Wii U, Pikmin 1 on Switch, Pikmin 2 on Switch, and finally Pikmin 4 Demo (on Switch), and it's been quite a rollercoaster in terms of Pikmin AI.

In Pikmin 3 you can order a captain to lead a squad of Pikmin to the opposite end of the map while you work on something else, and the only way it will ever go wrong is if there's an enemy on the way. In Pikmin 1 I learned to treat crossing a bridge as a precision life or death operation because the Pikmin simply aren't smart enough to follow you across it without walking off the edge. In Pikmin 4 you can literally walk directly into a pool of water and the red and yellow Pikmin in your squad will stop at the edge on their own.

RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1296: Jul 2nd 2023 at 4:26:19 PM

In Pikmin 1 I learned to treat crossing a bridge as a precision life or death operation
I've taken to just throwing them across, because I can't trust them not to screw it up somehow. Going from the 4 demo to 1 is an absolute whiplash.

Edited by RacattackForce on Jul 2nd 2023 at 7:27:33 AM

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#1297: Jul 2nd 2023 at 4:49:29 PM

In Pikmin 4 you can literally walk directly into a pool of water and the red and yellow Pikmin in your squad will stop at the edge on their own.

Pikmin with a self-preservation instinct? What is this witchery??

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#1298: Jul 2nd 2023 at 6:11:29 PM

I also like how the Pikmin don't immediately stop what they're doing if you accidentally whistle them while they're doing a task

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#1299: Jul 2nd 2023 at 6:15:10 PM

They will momentarily pause.

And that's nice.

Edited by randomness4 on Jul 2nd 2023 at 9:16:18 AM

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BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#1300: Jul 2nd 2023 at 6:40:55 PM

[up][up]That was apparently a Pikmin 3 Deluxe addition. I only played the Wii U version but 3 Deluxe added a bunch of single-tap/double-tap distinctions that added convenient new functions without making the original functions harder to do.

  • Single-tap whistle to call back only idle Pikmin/Double-tap or hold whistle to cancel jobs

  • Single-tap disband to dismiss all but one type of Pikmin (ie. the thing you used disband for 90% of the time)/Double-tap disband to actually explore alone

  • Single-tap charge to charge just one type of Pikmin (for stuff like electric gates and elemental enemies)/Repeatedly tap charge to charge the remaining Pikmin

The last one got changed slightly, in 3 Deluxe you had to charge each type of Pikmin sequentially, while in 4 the second tap just sends out all of the rest.


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