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AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:08:10 PM

Quite a few bloggers are also leaving due to ordinary pictures of pets/food/nature or completely SFW fanart triggering the absolutely abysmal algorithm. A amphibian enthusiast I follow is having to delete his blog because it's just too much work removing all the hundreds of frog photos stretching back years that apparently look too fleshlike for the site.

Dec 4th 2018 at 8:19:42 PM

Yep. It's all about customer confidence. Even if the algorithm was fixed right now, to be perfectly efficient in flagging porn and only porn, the damage is done. No one trusts Tumblr anymore. If Tumblr admitted their mistakes and reversed their stance on NSFW content, then maybe it would be enough, but I doubt it.

People have been grumbling about Tumblr for years, due to all sorts of issues, but put up with it mostly because there's nothing obviously better. Pillowfort has been a long-term project because of that. It's just that now there's a major crisis that is causing everyone to flee in droves. Even if everything gets fixed, no one really has a reason to come back.

Dec 4th 2018 at 8:52:58 PM

True dat.

Although, that whole element of "nowhere else to go" might end up being something. Sure, a lot of artists and models have already moved to twitter, instagram and new grounds, but a lot of them were already there; now they just have the incentive to stay there solely. But a lot of non-art/porn based content producers don't really have anywhere else to go: twitter isn't exactly friendly to niche (well, non-porn-based niche) groups, and the Nazi problem can't be underemphasized. Facebook is a cesspool of pyramid schemes and homophobia. It's quite possible that, assuming the algorithm does get disabled and an apology is given, that those people will come back just out of a sense of safety and familiarity.

Not to mention that a lot of people probably just don't care enough to leave. Once you've stuck with a site, as poorly managed as it is, for 8-10 years, you just kind of stop caring. If you've survived that long you're blog probably isn't going to get flagged now, and if it does, you're probably wise enough to fix it to meet whatever standards are being set. The general community, and way of communicating on tumblr is pretty much unique to tumblr than anywhere else on the internet, and I can see that as something that will be really hard to unlearn for a lot of people if they do choose to leave (the ease of access and reposting for starters).

It's a big old mess, any way you look at it.

Dec 4th 2018 at 9:08:40 PM

People have migrated to new sites for much smaller reasons. Fanfiction.net is still going strong, but it's no longer the premiere fanfic site; Archive of Our Own is winning that battle. Again, without any singular major event. People just didn't like ff.net, so AO3 was made. In theory that's what pillowfort is supposed to be to Tumblr, but the fact that this crisis occurred before pillowfort was ready is complicating things.

Mizerous Fallen Maiden from Mistral Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Fallen Maiden
Dec 4th 2018 at 11:36:02 PM

Not sure if I should go back on Deviant Art as well considering the last time I stayed for a while I got some nasty malware...

Dim Blaze
Wispy Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Dec 5th 2018 at 12:06:04 AM

Deviantart has always had an issue with viruses slipping in from what I have noticed.

Tumblr had it too but it was much rarer

Medinoc Chaotic Greedy from France
Chaotic Greedy
Dec 5th 2018 at 1:48:55 AM

You do realize that there are a bunch of people on tumblr who don't post NSFW content, right?
Yeah, but one doesn't need an account to watch those.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Dec 5th 2018 at 3:49:02 AM

As noted before, Devianart is weird. You can post every fetish under the sun but the second someone doesn’t censor a penis or a vagina you get banned. And heaven help you if you paid for a premium account.

"That's right kid. Never play an ace when a two will do."
Talden Second from the left. from my chair.
Second from the left.
Dec 5th 2018 at 4:58:53 AM

Pillowfort should have a sale for beta keys, like a dollar or two each. I'm sure they would make quite a mint with all the Tumblr users fleeing the place right now.

A liveblog? In my sig'? That's more likely than you think.
Dec 5th 2018 at 6:57:45 AM

Is any one getting a bug were if you go on someone's Tumbler page it hasn't update but going to there archive show that they had made post?

Dec 5th 2018 at 9:03:24 AM

I been seeing some tweets by some artists that most of their SFW art on Tumblr were tagged as NSFW. Okay, what? If this was the work of a bot, that it's not very smart.

Edited by MrTerrorist on Dec 5th 2018 at 9:15:15 AM

Dec 5th 2018 at 9:22:15 AM

John Oliver has to do an episode on this.

AlleyOop Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Dec 5th 2018 at 9:22:24 AM

[up][up][up] Maybe it's for the better they limit the amount of people who can come on as I don't think their servers can handle such a large influx.

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Dec 5th 2018 at 9:33:07 AM

Fanfiction.net is still going strong, but it's no longer the premiere fanfic site; Archive of Our Own is winning that battle. Again, without any singular major event. People just didn't like ff.net, so AO3 was made.
The way I heard it, technically there was a single event that definitively lead to the creation of AO3 (and another site whose name I forgot), though it could more of the straw that broke the camel's back. That is, it was the last in a series of events that piled up over the years, until someone(s) finally snapped and decided to Start My Own.

EDIT: Actually, nevermind. According to this page, it appears AO3's genesis had nothing to do with FF.net, and everything to do with a LiveJournal incident known as "Strikethrough" (which I've never heard of, probably because I never used the site to begin with and only barely knew anything about). The only FF.net-related event is said site's "2012 M-rated Purge" having coincided with AO3 suffering "database performance issues" that were attributed to an unexpected rise in traffic (probably from FF.net members migrating to AO3 en masse).

Edited by MarqFJA on Dec 5th 2018 at 8:40:13 PM

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
Dec 5th 2018 at 10:44:26 AM

[up]x5

Two things might be happening.

Newer posts marked as sensitive might not be visible to visitors (if this is the case, they are implementing their censorship way ahead of their given schedule).

Or, according to various blogs I follow, newer posts (possibly those deemed sensitive under the new system) get buried behind older "safe" posts. The new content exists, but you need to go back through the blog's feed to find them, as the content is no longer being ordered by creation date.

I'm inclined to believe the second is true, because I reblogged a bunch of NSFW art that was flagged, and when I updated my blog, the posts were not shown. Yet, with a direct link I could access them so they do exist and I can see them in the order of their creation in my dashboard.

Edited by MrSeyker on Dec 5th 2018 at 10:45:49 AM

Dec 5th 2018 at 2:00:52 PM

You can also try checking the archive; everything there is still in order of when it was posted.

Also, newgrounds crashed again. This is starting to become a pattern...

Dec 5th 2018 at 2:57:16 PM

Apparently the archive oddity is that people are being "muted." Don't know if that's what's really happening or if it's an overreaction to the glitch, but LGBT blogs are feeling it a lot.

Also, a bit on the nature of these kinds of algorithms.

In science fiction, AIs tend to malfunction due to some technicality of logic, such as that business with the laws of robotics and an AI reaching a dramatic, ironic conclusion.
Content regulation algorithms tell me that sci-fi authors are overly generous in these depictions.
"Why did cop bot arrest that nice elderly woman?"
"It insists she's the mafia."
"It thinks she's in the mafia?"
"No. It thinks she's an entire crime family. It filled out paperwork for multiple separate arrests after bringing her in."

Edited by Discar on Dec 5th 2018 at 2:57:33 AM

Dec 5th 2018 at 4:34:11 PM

The problem I'm having is that I can't find a website with as much general fanart as Tumblr. Newgrounds only seems to have a little of any character or show I look up, and Devianart is only somewhat better.

OmegaRadiance Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Dec 5th 2018 at 4:35:27 PM

Pixiv and Twitter.

Dec 5th 2018 at 4:56:53 PM

Pixiv needs a subscription and Twitter is awful to navigate for fanart.

OmegaRadiance Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Dec 5th 2018 at 5:13:32 PM

Yes but they both have general fanart. Some artists even have Pic dumps of Twitter art to Pixiv.

HailMuffins OLÉ! Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
OLÉ!
Dec 5th 2018 at 5:28:59 PM

Isn't Pixiv almost entirely Japanese? Wouldn't the language barrier be an issue?

Lucha Libre is humanity's greatest invention! Sí, mucho mucho!
OmegaRadiance Relationship Status: All is for my lord
Dec 5th 2018 at 5:32:03 PM

Hasn't stopped people before.

Just like Japanese post art on Tumblr, even Deviantart in the past.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Dec 5th 2018 at 5:32:59 AM

Customer Forgetful Sleepyhead from Georgia Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Dec 5th 2018 at 5:37:31 PM

Pixiv included English options like a year or so ago. I remember joining years ago when it was Japanese only, but I guess they noticed that enough foreign users were registering that they opted to integrate English into the site.

A few artists I follow have been posting their stuff on Pixiv for just as long as I can remember as well, so I imagine it's seen as a good alternative in general.

Edited by Customer on Dec 5th 2018 at 8:55:11 AM

Hari-HaraDigital Devil Saga
Dec 5th 2018 at 5:52:20 PM

Pixiv WAS in japanese.

For years now the entire interface is available in easy to read english, and there's a really neat new feature that will show you the japanese tags and their transliteration next to them sometimes so that you can easily find which tags are of interest to you.

Most western artists on the site just use tags in english, and their search function can find partial words and match english worlds to japanese words.

The only problem is that artwork needs to be censored per japanese laws and genitals need to be obscured. I've noticed many artists don't bother, however and it does not seem to be actively enforced. Some artists upload a censored image and an uncesored one hidden behind the first in gallery format. Other artists upload only censored content and provide external links to uncensored works.

Pixiv also has a private gallery for artists called MyPixiv that can be accessed via request to the artist, and uncensored works are common there.

The biggest issue with Pixiv imo is that it has really limited options to hide content/users unless you are premium.

You can only block/mute either a single artist or a single tag. Also, tags are case sensitive, so if you are like me and dislike the NTR genre, you can block the NTR tag, but ntr (lowercase) will still be shown on your searches.

Edited by MrSeyker on Dec 5th 2018 at 5:54:32 AM


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