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NaraNumas Pun Dragon
Pun Dragon
Oct 9th 2018 at 1:09:24 PM

Double-post, but: hotfixes are being worked on for the Azerite stuff. Apparently there was a bug with how emissary reward Ilvl is calculated that was resulting in 370+ getting 355 pieces, and they also lowered the threshold you need for 370s to start showing up.

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Herald of Endless Research.
Oct 9th 2018 at 3:56:01 PM

[up]x4 I don't think official forums will survive the backlash if Horde gets blue eyes for Belves.

Lor'Themar gets a long due model update. And a good one at that!

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NaraNumas Pun Dragon
Pun Dragon
Oct 9th 2018 at 8:51:00 PM

Apparently this new patch is encrypted pretty hard, even the Wowhead guys are having trouble pulling everything out and making sense of it.

Given how all the details and major story beats have already been datamined or shown in previews, it makes me wonder what they could have encrypted so deeply.

Oct 10th 2018 at 7:08:51 AM

My guess? It may have something to do with the Shrine of Storms raid, since Blizz seems to want to keep anything Naga and/or Old God related tightly under wraps.

After all, this is supposed to be the "faction conflict expansion", right? =P

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Oct 10th 2018 at 8:15:43 AM

All Naga and Old God stuff will from now on be covered by black bars with spoiler tags on them.[lol] I like that there are parallel stories going on.

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Oct 10th 2018 at 8:17:19 AM

theres also all the hints its actually a death-themed expansion, too

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Oct 10th 2018 at 9:30:13 AM

After all, this is supposed to be the "faction conflict expansion", right? =P
Maybe that's exactly why the war campaign stuff send to be considerably easier to datamine. Letting the stuff they want slip while keeping quiet the things they're still waiting to release.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
Random Internet Person
Oct 10th 2018 at 9:49:53 AM

[up] I'm pretty confident in saying that the Zuldazar Raid will be the only dedicated faction v. faction raid in the expansion.

However I also don't think the conflict will have a resolution until inside the Azshara raid itself, which I believe will be the final raid. There might even be a few Horde v. Alliance fights within the Azshara raid depending on how it's structured.

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Oct 10th 2018 at 10:11:19 AM

Yeah, unless Blizz suddenly pulls a Siege of Ogrimmar 2.0 on us, I think its a pretty fair guess that Azshara is gonna be the final boss of this expansion, at least in regards to the main storyline.

Though that doesn't mean they can't add a "postgame" Bonus Boss like Sunwell Kil'Jaeden and Halion.

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Oct 10th 2018 at 10:35:13 AM

Unless it is a two zone wide crater where Quel'Thalas was, I'm up for anything.

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Oct 10th 2018 at 10:50:44 AM

If the war reaches Quel'thalas, I doubt it would be that extreme. Remember, Alleria and Vereesa's ultimate goal in opposing Lor'themar is to convince the Blood Elves to rejoin the Alliance.

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Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
Random Internet Person
Oct 10th 2018 at 10:55:42 AM

[up][up][up] I'd argue that Sunwell Kil'jaeden wasn't really a bonus boss. Illidan might of been on the box, but it was the Burning Legion that set off the events of the expansion and it was called "Burning Crusade", not "Illidan's Crusade".

To me a bonus raid is just a little something extra that Blizzard can put together in a relatively short amount of time to act as part of the runup to the next expansion. Fury of the Sunwell was, at the time, the largest patch Blizzard had ever released and had nothing to do with the events of WotLK beyond some scourge wandering up the Dead Scar.

WotLK is really the only expansion that has had a true "bonus boss" in Ruby Sanctum.

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NaraNumas Pun Dragon
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Oct 10th 2018 at 4:02:49 PM

Some story spoilers:

Apparently Saurfang's escape was allowed by the SI:7, Shaw himself was protecting him, covering his escape and preventing him from being seen or captured as he fled into the Burning Steppes. Anduin let him get loose intentionally as a gambit to create unrest and rebellion with the end goal to instill him as, if not full on puppet ruler of a warchief, at least as a sane warchief they can make peace with.

This gives a bit more context to Anduin and Jaina refusing to press the assault after decimating the Horde and Zandalari in the new raid, instead of wiping them out at the cost of thousands of lives on both sides, he's turned Saurfang into an asset to try to take the Horde down with infighting.

Oct 10th 2018 at 4:04:52 PM

Knowing Anduin its probable he wants Saurfang in charge because Saurfang would be a ruler he could have peace talks with

Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
Random Internet Person
Oct 10th 2018 at 8:54:18 PM

In a way, there is actually no possible outcome of this move that doesn't benefit the Alliance in some manner.

1. Saurfang is assassinated by Sylvanas after escaping. He becomes a martyr for like minded-members of the Horde who cause a lot of trouble and weaken the Horde from within.

2. Saurfang takes over the Horde after a period of internal conflict and either becomes Warchief or appoints a like-minded successor. The Alliance can then negotiate a peace deal from a position of strength

3. Saurfang fails to take over the Horde after a period of internal conflict. The Alliance can then press the offensive against a weakened Horde.

4. Saurfang takes over the Horde in a swift coup that leaves the Horde's military readiness more or less intact. The Alliance can still negotiate a more favorable peace deal then they ever could with Sylvanas.

5. Saurfang takes over the Horde, continues the war for one reason or another, and wins. That's still preferable to losing the war to the Horde under Sylvanas.

And the genius part of it is that none of this requires Saurfang to be in on Anduin's plan. Anduin can just sit back and count on Saurfang to be Saurfang.

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morenohijazo Forofgold power! from Zaragoza, Spain
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Oct 10th 2018 at 11:00:11 PM

[up][up][up]A single correction.

Saurfang didn't go to the Burning Steppes, as that zone was heavily guarded. Instead, he went to the Swamp of Sorrows.

It's debatable why he chose that path over his other option, Stranglethorn Vale, where he could have taken a zeppelin back to Kalimdor in Grom'gol Camp.

Wild Mass Guessing: He's heading to the Dark Portal, then he plans to go to Nagrand and look for Thrall. All of this is a prelude to Thrall's return.

Edited by morenohijazo on Oct 10th 2018 at 8:04:38 PM

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math792d The justification for everything from Tesladyne, LLC Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
The justification for everything
Oct 11th 2018 at 3:33:26 AM

Azshara was revealed as the mid-expansion boss at last year's Blizzcon. They had the art mockup of her model and everything. She's going to be the Kil'jaeden of BFA in terms of when she goes down, is my guess.

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Kiefen MINE! from Germany Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
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Oct 11th 2018 at 3:40:14 AM

[up]Then again Grommash was initially also supposed to be Wo D's Final Boss so one never knows what might happen.

Reflextion Cheerful Misanthrope from Nowhere Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Cheerful Misanthrope
Oct 11th 2018 at 5:40:51 AM

Whoa whoa whoa, run that one by me again. You mean to tell me that someone managed to pry the Idiot Ball out of Anduin's hands long enough for him to come up with something that might actually be a good plan if it doesn't get Diabolus ex Machina'd?

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Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
Random Internet Person
Oct 11th 2018 at 6:36:06 AM

[up][up][up] That was the implication, but it's not unheard of for their plans to change in these circumstances. When Legion was announced there was a whole extra island in the Broken Isles (Thal'dranath) that was slated for patched content and was ultimately cut in favor of Argus.

I could totally see a situation where Blizzard has a "Horde v. Alliance tier" and an "Azshara tier" and at some point after Blizz Con but before they were deeply involved in the development of either patch they decided to flip the placement of those two tiers.

[up] I'd say the biggest potential point of failure in Anduin's plan isn't anything Saurfang could potentially do or fail to do, but what happens if and when the other Alliance leaders find out that Anduin had Saurfang released. He doesn't exactly have his hands clean regarding the whole War of Thorns situation.

Though what I am interested in seeing is what conversation, if any, did Anduin and Saurfang have. While what we've seen so far doesn't require Saurfang to be explicitly in on it (though it's likely he figured it out pretty quick), it is also possible that him and Anduin worked out a fairly elaborate plan to bring the war to an end.

And now that I think about it, there's actually a crazier theory here. the questline never explicitly mentions Anduin. Shaw is the only one confirmed to be involved since he arranged for the watchmen at the pass into Redridge to be totally drunk when Saurfang came through. Which means this whole thing could be Shaw's doing.

Edited by Falrinn on Oct 11th 2018 at 1:02:30 PM

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Rotpar FUCKING COUCH BARD! from California Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
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Oct 11th 2018 at 10:38:55 AM

Back by popular demand, or rather because no one has the power to stop her, comes PROFESSOR HEATSINK in BATTLE FOR HEATSINKIA...or I guess Azeroth.

  • It is not often that Professor Heatsink finds herself defeated or feeling like there was more that she could have done. The Burning of Teldrassil is one such moment, where she tries to convince herself that unlearning Lonely Winter and taking a water elemental would not have saved Darnassus.
  • Some fighting happened in Lordaeron DID YOU SEE JAINA'S FLYING BATTLESHIP?! IT WAS THE GREATEST THING EVER! JAINA IS THE BEST. SQUEE!
  • <Several pages of squeeing have been ommited> MISSION WITH JAINA! MISSION! WITH! JAINA! SQUEE! JAINA! BEST FRIENDS FOREVER!
  • BETRAYAL BY JAINA'S MOTHER?! Professor Heatsink is uncertain of what exactly happened as she might have had a small/several strokes upon being with Jaina on a mission with Jaina. She woke up and Jaina was gone and some rebellion against her traitor mother was underway.
  • Professor Heatsink disappeared in the woods near Fallhaven, Drustvar while investigating local disturbances. A year later, her eight-thousand page report was found—the Drustvar Witch Project.

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sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Oct 11th 2018 at 10:56:53 AM

Do you mean Hatesink, be any chance?

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Silentedge89 Optimistic Cynic
Optimistic Cynic
Oct 11th 2018 at 11:39:47 AM

More shit has fallen out of the datamining.

The sheer amount of Xal'atath rule 34 that's about the flood the internet is staggering.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Oct 11th 2018 at 11:51:51 AM

[up] Are we sure that hasn't already been a thing?

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