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NaraNumas Pun Dragon
Pun Dragon
Aug 9th 2018 at 12:02:43 PM

[up][up][up] There is the one that's missing where you're a mage of power enough you can basically become an Arcane mummy, Ala Meryl Felstorm

Though since he was rescued from the comics and abducted into canon, I'm not sure if he's been retconned to just being a cut and dry forsaken, but in the comics he just kinda... slipped naturally into undeath.

Edited by NaraNumas on Aug 9th 2018 at 2:05:07 PM

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Geronimo!
Aug 9th 2018 at 12:06:39 PM

[up] The idea of a super-aged, powerful mortal simply forgetting to die and slipping into undeath "naturally" is not unique to the Warcraft verse, although it's rare and nobody has ever really tried to explain the mechanism for it.

Oh, and we also have Calia Menethil, from the recent novel, who has become a sort of Light-borne undead, although that seems to have required direct intervention from Elune. Similarly, there's whatever Bolvar Fordragon is, but these all seem like one-off cases that can't be relied upon as examples.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 9th 2018 at 3:10:56 PM

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sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Aug 9th 2018 at 12:21:49 PM

  • You can flat-out die and then be raised by a necromancer or necromantic magic in general.
    • This appears to be the case for most PC Forsaken, as the intro cutscene indicates that they have risen freshly from their graves in Lordaeron, rather than being released from the Lich King's servitude.
For accuracy's sake, this is accurate to Forsaken PCs post-Cataclysm, when Sylvanas gained access to the Val'kyr. Before that, I think Forsaken players were Scourge who had just been freed from Arthas' hold. I'm not 100% on that though.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Aug 9th 2018 at 12:40:45 PM

If you ask me, it's high time they are expelled from the Horde due to their senseless atrocities and settle to an Island, where Forsaken players can be nominally allowed in the horde but not tolerated.

What minotaur would wander the Undercity, see lobotomized slaves and tolerate them? RP wise I quit Wo W after seeing the cages.

Edited by VIRID on Aug 9th 2018 at 12:44:53 PM

NaraNumas Pun Dragon
Pun Dragon
Aug 9th 2018 at 12:55:25 PM

[up] I think that's painting them in too broad of strokes, Sylvanas and the apothecaries? Sure, get rid of 'em, but a lot of Forsaken are people who just don't have a choice in the matter, their families hated them at best, want to return them to the dust of the earth at worst, and Sylvanas is manipulating the whole with a borderline cult of personality, and instilling a fear of final death in them as of the latest novel.

There's plenty of Forsaken who just want to be left alone and live their unlives in peace and quiet, but Sylvanas seems to think that's not a route they can take anymore, and is forcing the rest to go along with it and killing the ones that won't.

Edited by NaraNumas on Aug 9th 2018 at 2:55:57 PM

Aug 9th 2018 at 12:56:32 PM

Fair enough. They'd truly become Forsaken, forsaken by their traitorous Queen and her sadistic scientists. Adopted out of mercy.

Good idea.

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Aug 9th 2018 at 12:57:49 PM

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Aug 9th 2018 at 2:05:09 PM

Having watched a Let's Play video of the Founding of Durotar, I am reminded why I can never sympathize with Daelin Proudmoore, no matter how much the Daughter of the Sea tries to convince me otherwise.

Daelin Proudmoore: You have always been naive, my daughter. You aren't old enough to remember what these monsters did to our homeland. The orcs and their kin cannot be trusted. They must be exterminated like the mongrels they are.

And he has the galls to call out the Horde for their atrocities and attempted genocide during the First and Second War? At least Warchief Thrall admits those were indeed crimes and wishes to atone for their sins.

I wonder if the Alliance's unwillingness to help Kul Tiras get their revenge was due to moral reasons or pragmatic reasons?

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Spooky Rat
Aug 9th 2018 at 2:49:09 PM

At the time the Alliance has been dealing with the Scourge plague spreading accross Lordaeron and had little time to bother dealing with old grudges against the horde.

Jaina's side of the alliance banded together with the Horde and the Night Elves to stop Archimonde. I'm not really sure what Stormwind has been doing at the time.

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Aug 9th 2018 at 3:14:17 PM

The Forsaken whom commit the nastiest atrocities are usually apothecaries, still in the Scourge, or Sylvanas.

The rest just want to be left alone or are eccentric at worst. There was the Desolate Council whom wanted to reconnect with their living families but Sylvanas killed them all. Although I suspect that she didn't kill every Forsaken that wanted to reconnect with their human family or get away from Sylvanas. The others may just be more quiet about it.

The guy whom did Hillsbrand was an horrific anomaly and you can play your Forsaken PC as being absolutely disgusted and horrified at what he was doing and save the human farmers. I know because I remember going through there as an Forsaken hunter back in Cata. If I recall correctly its another Forsaken that sends you to kill that nasty mad scientist as well.

Edited by Wispy on Aug 9th 2018 at 3:16:41 AM

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Aug 9th 2018 at 3:16:46 PM

He does. He does so because said scientist is violating one of the few hard and fast laws of the Forsaken which, if I recall correctly, was that (at the time, anyway) creating mindless undead was forbidden.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
StormKnight from Denmark
Aug 9th 2018 at 3:24:12 PM

The only thing they disapproved of was that the camp was in chaos and that his experiments were harming other Forsaken. And even discounting the Warden, everything else they've done in Hillsbrad is still some of the worst atrocities in Warcraft — in a zone with a mostly comedic tone.

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Aug 9th 2018 at 3:25:54 PM

It was an very long time ago now, so I don't recall all the extra details. I just know you could play an sympathetic Forsaken PC to the humans that were still trapped in that horror camp.

Although yeah, Southshore was plagued completely. I don't recall if everyone escaped.

Edited by Wispy on Aug 9th 2018 at 3:28:22 AM

StormKnight from Denmark
Aug 9th 2018 at 3:46:40 PM

There are some survivors from Southshore in Fenris Keep in Silverpine, but there's a journal in the Sludge Fields that mention how anybody that ran towards Arathi were killed and how everybody else were rounded up. There's also mentions in Deathknell of dead people being shipped from Hillsbrad and then raised as inexplicably-suddenly-loyal Forsaken. Everything related to Hillsbrad in Cataclysm is just bad.

Edited by StormKnight on Aug 9th 2018 at 12:46:29 PM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Aug 9th 2018 at 3:53:02 PM

[up][up] There were some survivors who holed up in Fenris Keep and willingly let Ivar Bloodfang turn them into worgen to prevent the Forsaken from killing and turning them.

Though either they died at some point later in the Silverpine questline or they're presumed dead - one of the people taking Ivar's offer is the wizard these two Alliance quest NP Cs near the orc-run farmstead in the Arathi Highlands work for and one of them mentions taking revenge for his death.

The magistrate of Southshore was also among the survivors that let themselves turned - you find him as a prisoner in Shadowfang Keep (chronologically set after the Silverpine questline).

And yeah, the reason for the kill order on Warden Stilwater is not because he's an Evil Scientist with no resemblance of morals - it's because he started turning other Forksaken into experiments. And even then he turned into a Karma Houdini in Legion somehow.

EDIT: Partially [nja]'d

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Aug 9th 2018 at 12:54:36 PM

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Aug 9th 2018 at 4:28:57 PM

So, I'm having a new thought; what's stopping the Horde from attacking Exodar and the Draenai Islands? The Plague Problems in Undercity/Lorderan will probably keep them from attacking Quel'Thalas for a while, but what's stopping the Horde from kicking out the Draenai?

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NaraNumas Pun Dragon
Pun Dragon
Aug 9th 2018 at 4:44:54 PM

[up] In-lore? Probably the fact that Exodar is already pretty much trashed and anything salvageable was stripped and used to create the Vindicaar, which the Draenei also probably wouldn't hesitate to use in defense of their homeland. Also remember, Teldrassil was an Alpha Strike, the rest of the Alliance military was heading to Silithus, despite the "champion" presence there, the Night Elves were on their own.

And I doubt Sylvanas would want to try her luck picking off Velen, if Malfurion's nature magic pushed her to the limit, it's very likely Velen's light magic would turn her to dust.

In-game? Blizz still doesn't want to go back and uninstance the BC starting zones because they'd have to revamp the geometry to allow for flight. It's the same reason you can't ask why the Alliance isn't about go crawl up the Dead Scar and obliterate Silvermoon and give it to the Void and High elves (they wouldn't have to march around Lordaeron, they could pull up in the Plaguelands and march north from there).

Edited by NaraNumas on Aug 9th 2018 at 6:46:07 AM

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The justification for everything
Aug 9th 2018 at 4:46:05 PM

Their navy got battered in the siege of Lordaeron and without it they can't launch an effective attack.

Plus the Vindicaar exists.

The news that they have nothing to fear is guaranteed to strike fear into the hearts of innocents everywhere.
sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Aug 9th 2018 at 5:12:09 PM

I think both sides' navy took a beating. It's part of what necessitates seeking out Kul Tiras and Zandalar.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
Aug 9th 2018 at 5:43:09 PM

Jaina's side of the alliance banded together with the Horde and the Night Elves to stop Archimonde. I'm not really sure what Stormwind has been doing at the time.

Stormwind was busy rebuilding after having been burnt down in WC 1 with a king far too young to really be a leader at the time. Said rebuilding was just getting finished when World Of Warcraft started and the fact that stormwind refused to pay the people who did the job thanks to Ony's influence... which lead to the Defias and DM.

sgamer82 from Meridian, ID
Aug 9th 2018 at 7:32:51 PM

Just discovered something neat. At least one Zandalari NPC that already exists in-game has been converted to a BFA Zandalari troll model: Chronicler To'kini in Zim'torga, Zul'drak.

I'm detouring from my questing to see if it's any other trolls besides him

EDIT: His daughter/student, Chronicler Bah'kini in Gundrak, is also a new model zandalari.

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 9th 2018 at 8:35:07 AM

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
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Aug 9th 2018 at 7:57:34 PM

I'm really starting to wonder about the Warbringers: Azshara animation.

I get that they probably didn't want to drop it too close to the Siege of Lordaeron opening up since it could of gotten buried by (or depending on what the contents are, bury) the reveals associated with the Siege of Lordaeron going live, but we are now less than 4 days away from the release of the expansion. If they wait more than another day or two it's going to get buried by the release of the actual expansion.

Both Warbringer cinematics contained fairly notable reveals. The Sylvanas one more so than Jaina's, but even Jaina had the reveal of her raising her father's ship. So that raises the question of...what is the reveal going to be of the Azshara one?

It could be a fairly benign setup for the things we already know she does in 8.0, but as I mentioned a page or so ago, I have a prediction that it will be revealed that a high ranking member of the Horde or Alliance is her agent.

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NaraNumas Pun Dragon
Pun Dragon
Aug 9th 2018 at 7:59:42 PM

@a few posts ago: I don't actually remember if the Horde ever had a really strong navy, for as long as I can remember every large-scale invasion has been done via land, the only time I can remember seeing them with a full on fleet was when you establish the port in Pandaria.

I guess the size is moot though, since Legion and now these wars both wiped them out. In hindsight it makes captain Eliza from the Outlaw Rogue artifact lore even more of a Small Role, Big Impact character.

Edited by NaraNumas on Aug 9th 2018 at 10:00:44 AM

Aug 9th 2018 at 8:40:21 PM

The Horde has a poor navy, they tend to prefer goblin zeps to boats.

Org has no shipyard still and the one time that the Horde used boats it was a plot point that Sylvanas had to build her shipyard and ships to do her invasion of northrend and got owned by the north fleet... Garrosh’s also got wrecked by Kvaldir.

In Cata the Orc’s limited fleet got its ass kicked again and again. The worst being losing TWICE in Silverpine.

The blood elves seem to be the only successful sailers.

Edited by Memers on Aug 9th 2018 at 8:45:44 AM

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King Arthur's favorite bird
Aug 9th 2018 at 8:40:41 PM

Why did the quest for the evacuation of Darnassus ask for the rescue of over 900 citizens in a ridiculously short time limit? Isn't that a little... much? surprised

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