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Mar 7th 2020 at 8:13:29 AM

I've been thinking about the Shadowlands Covenants and that what I've seen so far suggests that they run pretty heavily on Blue and Orange Morality.

Part of this is an inevitable consequence of the Shadowlands having a very different relationship with death then the mortal plane, but I kind of wonder if we are going to see ALL covenants undergo a reformation. As in all of them have become so wrapped up in fulfilling the stated purpose of their plane that they've lost sight of why that purpose existed in the first place.

We know that Revendreth's current leader is a raid boss, and the Maldraxxus doesn't even have a proper leader. But perhaps Bastion and Ardenweld will also have serious problems internal to their own covenents that will need addressed.

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Floop
Mar 8th 2020 at 12:33:52 AM

Bastion and Aardenweald, from their description and the gameplay preview last Blizzcon, actually seem a lot less directly creepy, but a lot more going on behind the scenes that make them worse than the other two (Revendreth is full of The Atoner as a rule of the thumb, Maldraxxus is at least honest about being a brutal Might Makes Right death world)

Meanwhile you have Bastion, where the end goal is to undergo a total Death of Personality and total surrender of your memories, regardless of your race or affiliation, and become just another homogeneous Kyrian, and Aardenweald for how pretty it is, mortals souls are just Anima to be shoved into dead wild gods to help them come back, presumably with Cessation of Existence as a consequence of this, and the influx of new souls is making the Night Fae desperate.

Edited by NaraNumas on Mar 8th 2020 at 2:34:26 PM

Mar 8th 2020 at 10:24:36 AM

[up] There's a fair number of details that we don't know, like what happens to non-Wild Gods who go to Ardenweld (or if non-Wild Gods even go to Ardenweld period), and we do have to make allowances for how far beyond mortal interests the Shadowlands are. The Horde and Alliance mean little to systems that have been in place since before the titans.

That being said, I kind of wonder Bastion will get a treatment not dissimilar to the Temple of Akunda arc in Vol'dun. Essentially the Kyrian have taken the concept of setting aside burdens to such an extreme that they've lost their own individuality. When in reality it's supposed to be about coming to a more cosmic understanding of things without forgetting who you are.

This could perhaps be illustrated by Uther's journey. So when we first meet him we don't even recognize him because he doesn't look like Uther and uses and different name. But as we progress the story in Bastion he remembers who he is and physically takes on a form that's still Kyrian but recognizably Uther.

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Mar 8th 2020 at 10:43:25 AM

The thing about Bastion is that for the most part, this whole death of personality you're going through is something you go through willingly. You're not forced to do it, it's just what you desire in your wish to continue protecting the multiverse.

At least that's what I think is going on from what we've seen by now.

Mar 8th 2020 at 11:55:11 AM

[up] Agreed. I think overall there are a lot of details we don't know, like how strict the plane assignments even are. We know the souls that go to Revendreth don't necessarily stay there and can move on to a different plane after they've done their penance, but it's quite possible that people can leave their current plane if the situation arises.

The Arbiter likely doesn't make many outright mistakes, but perhaps she will occasionally send someone to a plane not because they should spend eternity there but because they need to get that experience in before they are ready to go to their true destination.

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Mar 8th 2020 at 3:33:04 PM

And those are the four planes we know of, but apparently there are a multitude other planes that we don't interract with, so it's not like those are the only four choices for deceased souls.

Mar 8th 2020 at 4:01:35 PM

Along those lines I do hope we get to journey to at least some of those planes. A patched zone is the obvious option, but in addition to that one idea I like is to have a "grand tour" raid where we journey to about 4 different planes in rapid succession battling the forces of the Maw before heading to Oribus to head off a direct attack on the Eternal City itself.

deludedmusings Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Mar 18th 2020 at 5:23:30 PM

I wonder if we'll get more of this solo-ish Horrific Vision type content in the future. As a primarily solo player, I'm enjoying having my own personal progress.

Holding a grudge is allowing someone to live inside your head rent free.
NaraNumas Floop
Floop
Mar 18th 2020 at 5:31:46 PM

The visions sound like a dry run for what they're planning for Torghast next expansion, so if you liked those, you'll probably like it.

morenohijazo Forofgold power! from Zaragoza, Spain
Forofgold power!
Mar 21st 2020 at 8:31:18 AM

100% experience buff for the next month.

Good time to level as many alts as possible.

Seriously, my avatar comes from the embodiment of the So Bad, It's Good trope.
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Mar 21st 2020 at 8:39:00 AM

I finished off my sixth 120 yesterday. Got 2 more characters to level up.

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Mar 21st 2020 at 8:39:34 AM

While I'm holding off on leveling any brand new characters until after Shadowlands drops, I do think I'll take advantage of this to push all my remaining 90+ characters to 120.

somerandomdude from Dark side of the moon Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
Mar 21st 2020 at 12:09:09 PM

100% experience buff for the next month.

Good time to level as many alts as possible.

Must...not...give in...

ok boomer
deludedmusings Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Mar 21st 2020 at 4:45:45 PM

I'll probably spend some time leveling my higher characters, I won't do new characters either.

I've been lazy, so I have 3 characters between 100 and 120.

Holding a grudge is allowing someone to live inside your head rent free.
unknowing from somewhere..
Mar 21st 2020 at 9:27:54 PM

So anything new about the lore guys?. I was expecting a discussion or something.

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sgamer82 from Middleton, ID
Mar 21st 2020 at 10:40:26 PM

I imagine that well is going to be on the dry side until we start seeing spoilers for the expansion, or pre-expansion material starts coming out.

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
NaraNumas Floop
Floop
Mar 22nd 2020 at 11:02:05 AM

Yeah, at the very least we'll likely see people start talking early, work-in-progress story beats once the closed alpha shifts to at least closed beta, whether or not that's gonna be before the new book comes out.

At this point though I'm concerned that the expansion may end up getting delayed into next year with jobs slowing down and non-essential business either closing or being told to work from home.

Mar 22nd 2020 at 2:26:02 PM

[up] Blizzard shifted as many people as possible to work from home pretty early in the US outbreak.

I do expect some delays to Shadowlands, how much is hard to say. I'll fully admit I was expecting the external alpha to already be started by now and it's not here yet.

That being said there other properties have been making a lot of announcements recently, so it's possible Blizzard just wanted to space things out a bit. Holding off on starting up the Shadowlands alpha for a week so Overwatch's new hero announcement has a bit more room to breath probably isn't the worst thing.

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Apr 1st 2020 at 12:36:24 PM

Here's our April patch notes, right on time!

I for one am excited to try out the new Pet Battle essence. Seems a bit OP.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 1st 2020 at 3:36:55 PM

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Demetrios Makes Everything 20% Cooler from Wheeling, Illinois Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Makes Everything 20% Cooler
Apr 1st 2020 at 2:03:11 PM

I leveled up my Blood Elf Paladin three times last night; he easily went from 72 to 75. surprised

Wishing I was where the sunlight is: Florida or South Africa
Apr 1st 2020 at 6:09:07 PM

As always the fake patch notes prove to be quite amusing. Was a nice distraction during these crazy times.

Demetrios Makes Everything 20% Cooler from Wheeling, Illinois Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Makes Everything 20% Cooler
Apr 1st 2020 at 11:36:21 PM

I like the one that said "No adjustments are necessary" for Shamans. XD

Wishing I was where the sunlight is: Florida or South Africa
Saiga Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads from Sunny Australia Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Helpful & reliable Pope of Bleach & DB threads
sgamer82 from Middleton, ID
Apr 2nd 2020 at 5:52:49 AM

Jesse Cox would agree

https://twitter.com/JesseCox/status/1245450309314310144?s=19

I went to go read those fake april fools @Warcraft patch notes and when I got to class changes I was like "they better not just say Shaman don't need changes" . . .

You mothafu-

Plus, remember how in Eragon everyone cries "a single tear"? Yeah, just try that with One Piece and see if it works
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