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Sep 1st 2019 at 4:02:21 PM

Yeah, also people already know how to bea ragnaros, it was going to happen everyway.

Is kinda like playing a old again.

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Sep 1st 2019 at 4:10:19 PM

People have also gotten leagues better at MM Os since Classic Wo W, people seem to forget the reason why Classic Wo W was so hard is due to silly game design stuff and the fact most players sucked back then as Wo W was their very first MMO.

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Sep 1st 2019 at 4:26:32 PM

And you can't really capture the community feeling without it. We experienced the same thing when SC: Remastered came out.

We still loved the game but nothing Blizzard can do will replicate staying up to 4 am in vent analyzing the replay of a Korean Pro.

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Demetrios Is Now Fabulous for Birthday from Wheeling, Illinois Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
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Sep 1st 2019 at 6:30:31 PM

I didn't realize this question until we got Battle for Azeroth. ^_^;; Is Kul Tiras a stratocracy?

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Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
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Sep 1st 2019 at 6:50:45 PM

[up] I would lean towards no.

They seem to function more as a fairly straightforward feudal monarchy with a collection of noble houses that are all sworn to serve a single ruling noble house. The ruler may be called "Lord Admiral", but in practice the office is no different then a king or queen (albeit one with flexible succession rules). Kathrine didn't play any direct role in commanding the fleet, delegating that role to her son Tandred.

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Demetrios Is Now Fabulous for Birthday from Wheeling, Illinois Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Is Now Fabulous for Birthday
Sep 1st 2019 at 6:55:29 PM

Thanks for clearing that up for me. :)

"You can have anything you want in life if you dress for it." — Edith Head.
Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
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Sep 1st 2019 at 7:46:14 PM

[up] Yeah, it is a little confusing given their use of titles. The fact that Daelin very much did command fleets and was the Grand Admiral of the entire Alliance navy back during the Second War probably doesn't help.

Also I don't think anyone posted this in this thread even though it's been out for a week. It's a different style then Blizzard's typical promos and is well worth the watch even if you aren't interested in classic.

And yes that was the Leroy Jenkins.

Edited by Falrinn on Sep 1st 2019 at 11:07:06 AM

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Sep 2nd 2019 at 1:57:23 PM

[up]That's so cool and I recognized a few people there (Patty Mattson is <3).

Who's the singer, though? Looks familiar but can't put my finger on who he is.

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Demetrios Is Now Fabulous for Birthday from Wheeling, Illinois Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
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Sep 3rd 2019 at 11:40:54 PM

Doing Wrath of the Lich King stuff on my Blood Elf Paladin made me miss when Exorcism would always critically hit demons and undead.

"You can have anything you want in life if you dress for it." — Edith Head.
Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
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Sep 4th 2019 at 9:17:33 AM

Finally unlocked the second minor essence slot on my Heart of Azeroth. Haven't had time to try much with it, but it's kind of crazy that there's still 8.2 quest content left for me to complete and I've been thoroughly enjoying the Magni arc.

I'm definitely getting the vibe that, while the Dragonflights have taken a hit, they aren't out and in a position to start regrouping.

The focus on the Dragonflights in the Magni questline is a bit reason why I've changed my mind from the Dragon Isles being a small part of the next expansion (like making then one of a few brand new zones in a Return to Northrend expansion) to being the site of patch 8.3.

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Sep 4th 2019 at 10:21:14 AM

There are also a few teases of Wrathion during that quest line, and we know he's involved in 8.3 as well.

I feel a massive plot convergence ahead, and it makes me wonder if we might be moving towards a huge change in the status quo. I've wondered this many times, and it's intriguing.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 4th 2019 at 1:21:29 PM

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Demetrios Is Now Fabulous for Birthday from Wheeling, Illinois Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
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Sep 4th 2019 at 1:24:02 PM

What kind of changes to the status quo?

"You can have anything you want in life if you dress for it." — Edith Head.
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Sep 4th 2019 at 2:02:51 PM

Well, look at the major plot threads:

  • Sylvanas' leadership of the Horde will be over one way or another. While I think that a major revision of the faction system is probably not in the cards, it is unlikely that we'll be returning to the status quo ante as if nothing happened.
    • Calia Menethil and her Lightbound Forsaken are going to enter the main storyline.
    • Faction control of Darkshore and Lordaeron must be settled once and for all.
    • If Sylvanas attacks Thunder Bluff, will the Tauren even remain in the Horde?
  • N'Zoth and the fate of Azeroth herself are at stake, and must either be resolved or extended into a whole new expansion.
    • Outcome 1: N'Zoth is destroyed, Azeroth is freed of corruption, status quo ante resumes.
    • Outcome 2: N'Zoth is destroyed, Azeroth is born and takes her place as a new Titan.
    • Outcome 3: N'Zoth corrupts Azeroth, next expansion is the Black Empire reborn.
    • Wrathion is involved in this somehow.

How they'll fit all of this into 8.3 without rushing at least some parts of it is beyond my imagination right now.

If Azeroth is born as a new Titan, we could have the final conflict between Light and Void beginning in the next expansion...

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 4th 2019 at 5:06:06 AM

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Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
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Sep 4th 2019 at 2:32:26 PM

With the faction conflict I think we might land in a place where the Alliance and Horde still exist, our characters are still members, and it still has some impact on gameplay.

However the factions are also broadly in a state of peace and players are free to group and guild with the opposing faction.

New content is made with this in mind, and the party sync feature is used to resolve problems with Legacy content.

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Sep 4th 2019 at 3:39:50 PM

I haven't heard much about the Lightbound Forsaken thing. They aren't Lightbound like Yrel's crazy Draenei cult, right? I've been wondering if that foreshadowing will actually lead to anything.

Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
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Sep 4th 2019 at 4:18:39 PM

[up] Currently there is exactly one Lightforged Undead in existence, Calia Menethil. And we haven't seen enough of her after her death and subsequent raising to have a good handle on what she is really like.

We know she feels some kind of connection to the Forsaken, and she is certainly no fan of Sylvanas (Sylvanas did kill her), but that's about it. Certainly not enough to draw meaningful conclusions.

I suppose we also know she was still in good standing with the members of the Alliance who are even aware of her raising, since Jaina took Derek Proudmoore to see her, but we don't even know how that meeting went and technically we don't even know if it happened. For all we know Jaina took Derek to see her, only for Calia to be missing and after standing around awkwardly for a bit figured out somewhere else she could take him.

Edited by Falrinn on Sep 4th 2019 at 9:52:08 AM

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Sep 6th 2019 at 2:31:45 PM

Speaking of Derek, I'm totally expecting a scene similar to that one scene from Samurai Jack with Jack and his Crazy-Prepared amount of swords. Specifically, Sylvanas grandly revealing that she had already brainwashed Derek by the time Baine and Zelling rescued him, then trying to activate his "killswitch", only for Jaina and Calia to reveal that they have since removed the killswitch and his brainwashing.

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Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
Random Internet Person
Sep 6th 2019 at 7:58:23 PM

[up] I don't think there's much need to spoiler-tag references to Calia since we haven't really gotten any new references to her since 8.1.5 other than her model being in the 8.2.5 PTR data, but that doesn't meaningfully change how we are going to speculate on her eventual in-game appearance.

That being said, Calia is one of two characters I feel are poised to throw a real wrench into Sylvanas's plans because Sylvanas can't know what she's dealing with. In Calia's case Sylvanas may not even know that Calia was raised, and no one really understands what a Lightforged Undead is capable of because there has never been a lightforged undead before.

The other character is Vol'jin. I can't help but notice that his questline very carefully avoids saying what he's become, only saying what he's not. All we know is that he's not undead, not a "mere spirit", and something "beyond Eyir's power to forge". We assume he's become a Loa, but that might not be completely correct or at least that conclusion might not be so readily arrived at from a watsonian point of view (ie the notion of a spirit just becoming a Loa on the other side isn't exactly a common event and might not be seriously considered).

Either way, what that means is that even if Sylvanas is aware that Vol'jin is back, she doesn't necessarily know what he's become and therefore cannot properly account for what his presence means.

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On a completely different subject, I have finally completed a Mythic +10 (Temple of Sethralis). People get really picky in that range which makes it extremely difficult to find a group. But with a bit more ilevel from the weekly chest and a bit higher io from the run, it should help in the future.

Edited by Falrinn on Sep 7th 2019 at 10:05:46 AM

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Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
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Sep 7th 2019 at 3:54:32 PM

Wowhead recently posted an article on encrypted data in the PTR client.

Usually this isn't cause for much discussion. Likely some of it is the new RAF rewards, as well as the Blizz Con promotional rewards. But this time around there is something more.

There is a whole bunch of stuff that seems to be connected to Saurfang, including some in-game cutscenes. Combine this with the Calia, Zekhan, Wrathion, and Valeera models that showed up in the data despite not appearing in the patch's one story quest and it makes it seem like there's a questline in 8.2.5 that is being hidden from us.

I don't want to jump to any conclusions here, but I can't help but wonder if they are hiding the whole confrontation at Thunder Bluff from the players.

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Sep 11th 2019 at 6:30:38 PM

So I decided to resub for classic and while there was off-time in FFXIV

I have to wonder, having caught up to absolutely everything except doing the Aszhara raid, where is the loyalist path heading at this point? It feels like they're setting up that side of the playerbase to get backstabbed by Sylvanas or thrown under the bus, I can't see them letting the player ride it until Sylvanas exits the plot, because regardless of what happens, they'll have to answer to Saurfang/Thrall/Whichever other rebel leader becomes warchief.

Edited by NaraNumas on Sep 11th 2019 at 9:00:10 AM

Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
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Sep 12th 2019 at 12:21:57 PM

[up] Regardless of the specifics, I do think we are going to see a reconciliation of some kind between the Sylvanas loyalists and the Saurfang supporters. I don't think a retread of Mo P where those who support the Warchief are simply crushed is likely when that would include a whole lot of actual players.

Sylvanas betraying, or being revealed to have already betrayed, her own loyalists I think the occam's razor option. There's a few edge cases I'm still considering, but none of them can be said to be as probable.

In other news, there's a new PTR build. This includes the new splash screen, which has the following line:

"Lead the charge in the thrilling conclusion to the War Campaign."

....So uhhh...to follow up on my post on encrypyed content, I think this might be a bigger story patch then it initially appeared.

In "Falrinn's latest crackpot theory" news I have a new candidate for at least one of the beings lurking in the Shadowlands: Galakrond.

Before the proto-Drakes who became the aspects killed him, he had necromantic powers and used them to raise an army of undead proto-drakes. This along with the fact that he's an ancient being, makes him a candidate for being Bwomdsamdi's bossnote . He also has associations with both Northrend and potentially the Dragon Isles, both locations I expect us to visit in the near-ish future.

I don't think he's the end-all-be-all of what's going on in the Shadowlands, but he's definitely a variable we need to consider.

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Sep 12th 2019 at 5:53:27 PM

The fact that this is being stated as the end of the War Campaign does seem to suggest that at least the majority of the 8.3 content will be dealing exclusively with N'Zoth.

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Falrinn Random Internet Person from A location definable in 4 dimensional terms
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Sep 12th 2019 at 8:07:23 PM

[up] Agreed. That was actually my original prediction for the structure of 8.2.5 and 8.3, but I backed off it when 8.2.5 actually hit the PTR and there was no sign of a War Campaign. Looks like I was right after all.

I suppose the lesson here is that I should stick to my predictions regardless of contrary evidence.

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Sep 12th 2019 at 8:38:55 PM

Well, I haven't played WoW for ages now, and it's not likely I'll get back into it anytime soon... but if something big goes down at Thunder Bluff like people have speculated, that may change. Really, a lot depends on how they wrap up the whole Sylvanas plotline, and how the writing looks to be shaping up moving into the next expansion.

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