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Rosvo1 Since: Aug, 2009
#226: Sep 4th 2009 at 2:28:15 PM

I'm a level 35 Undead Protection Warrior, which I mostly took as I wanted a melee class and a Horde race, so I asked a friend what to take. And, I'd like to thank for suggestions for add-ons. And, as I'm too bored to recite everything about my char, I'll just post my Armory page: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Rosv

edited 4th Sep '09 2:28:31 PM by Rosvo1

frobishlumpkin Since: Dec, 1969
#227: Sep 4th 2009 at 9:04:49 PM

I played for about 2 years, pretty seriously. You can see my paladin, who I ditched at Wrath, if you search Frobishpally on the armory - my DK is Darthfrobish. Unfortunately, the last thing I was wearing appears to be my terribad DPS set (this was maybe a month or two into Ulduar I quit) but, his tank gear was definitely solid, MT'd through most of Ulduar 10.

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Lost in Space
#228: Sep 5th 2009 at 12:54:58 PM

@Rosvo: You're brave, leveling as Protection. Although these days that's not so bad... if you don't kill things quite as fast as Arms or Fury, it's almost impossible for them to kill you. And it guarantees that you'll learn tanking skills, which will serve you well when you run dungeons.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#229: Sep 5th 2009 at 1:03:39 PM

I think my biggest problem with Warriors in World Of Warcraft is that I like being a melee DPS character with decent defensive capabilities, like a City Of Heroes Scrapper. But if you're a Warrior in World Of Warcraft and not a tanker, nobody wants you on their team. And I don't want my DPS capabilities to be at the expense of defense, either, so no squishy-ass Rogue for me. I also played a ret pally for a time, but again, nobody wants one of those on their team.

Also, solo leveling a Warrior sucks.

Solo leveling as a Paladin, much less so.

edited 5th Sep '09 1:04:17 PM by Matrix

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Lost in Space
#230: Sep 5th 2009 at 2:23:53 PM

It's not so much that nobody wants a DPS Warrior; it's just that, since everybody wants to play as DPS, most dungeon groups end up waiting for a tank or healer. That's why it's so important to develop a second gear set and role, so you can step up to the plate when needed. I've gotten into far more groups on the promise of tanking or healing than as pure DPS, although they usually figure out I'm damn good at that too.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FadingEcho Since: Jan, 2001
#231: Sep 5th 2009 at 3:04:32 PM

Indeed. Take it from one with four hybrids at level 70 and above-you will get the most mileage in groups if you're prepared to handle tanking or healing. I've healed instances as a boomkin druid, tanked as an arms warrior, and dps'd as a holy pally-unless your class is rogue, hunter, mage, or warlock, you are a hybrid. Be prepared to act like one.

Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#232: Sep 5th 2009 at 3:14:16 PM

Yeah, I don't like tanking.

This shouldn't mean that I can't have a DPS character with decent defenses.

I don't mind healing, so if I would be needed for that as like a Paladin, then sure why not, but I do not tank.

I guess it's kind of a Berserk Button for me when people expect me to tank.

Just one of many reasons why I left World Of Warcraft.

Hopefully, Cataclysm makes the game playable for me.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#233: Sep 5th 2009 at 3:17:57 PM

Rogues have tons of defenses, honestly. They may not wear plate, but most damage isn't physical anyway. Not to mention they can dodge the physical damage. In terms of active rather than passive defenses, they have evasion, cloak of shadows, vanish, tons of stuns, tons of incapacitates, quite a few defensive talents if you choose to take them, etc. I'd argue that rogues are more defensive than dps warriors, by a significant margin.

Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#234: Sep 5th 2009 at 3:34:29 PM

This actually brings up another problem. World Of Warcraft's targeting system.

I hate it.

It doesn't even turn you around to face the enemy when you use a skill, you have to face the enemy yourself.

That is too much work.

In Guild Wars, when you use a skill, it turns you to face the enemy, and if you're out of range, it auto-runs towards it.

In City Of Heroes, it doesn;t auto-run you, but it does turn you towards the enemy.

None of this "lol ur facing the wrong way dumbass" bullshit.

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#235: Sep 5th 2009 at 4:02:02 PM

Learn to mouse-turn and you won't have that problem. But positioning and facing yourself properly has always been a big part of the game, and there are even some encounters where enemy attacks target you based on whether you're facing them or not. I'd also add there are several movement tricks that wouldn't work if the game forced you to face your opponents, and Blizzard also has a vested interest in preventing botting.

By the by, people playing the "I don't like to tank so I won't" card is one of my personal pet peeves. If you're going to participate in a cooperative multiplayer game, you'd better learn how to use more than one of your class roles, even if you only rarely use them. Warriors are not just about smashing people's heads in with big sticks. You don't even have to spec Protection — just carry a shield and a one-hander around and make sure you trained Defensive Stance.

edited 5th Sep '09 4:03:10 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Rosvo1 Since: Aug, 2009
#236: Sep 5th 2009 at 4:03:10 PM

@Fighteer: I actually have a tank mentality, meaning that I like to just run at the enemy and slash at them. Sure, I have some tactics, but it boils down to: Try to keep the other guys from getting killed. And, sure, solo leveling is sometimes frustrating, but thankfully I have lots of patience and don't just ragequit.

FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#237: Sep 5th 2009 at 4:09:53 PM

I play it. Occasionally. Right now, I'm /headdesking over...well, a sizable list of things about Cataclysm. (Not impressed.)

Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#238: Sep 5th 2009 at 4:11:12 PM

This conversation is really reminding me of why I left World Of Warcraft.

I guess I'll still check out the Cataclysm changes with a trial account when it comes out, but I'm probably not going to buy anything.

My preferred playstyle on a melee character is "smack things" and "keep smacking things." It works well in City Of Heroes and Guild Wars.

I shouldn't have to do anything I don't want to do. It's a game. Games are played because one wants to play. If I don't want to tank, I damn well won't.

FadingEcho Since: Jan, 2001
#239: Sep 5th 2009 at 4:25:58 PM

And no one is forcing you to tank. If you want to dps, fine-you'll just have to compete with every other dps'er for slots in a party, and you don't have half the utility most of them have, because they don't have the option to play another role in a party like you do.

If you really want to play a dps'er with good defenses, your best bet is actually druid, hunter, or, these days, warlock.

Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines. Since: Jan, 2001
Your army sucks.
#240: Sep 5th 2009 at 4:28:36 PM

Then play a Death Knight, they aren't as squishy as Rogues, easy (but hard to truly master) and fun to play. And for some reason aren't expected to tank, or at least I've gotten away with being a pure dps DK.

In other news I finally got back to seriously leveling my Hunter, but my inner Munchkin forced me to get him uber-gear, professions, and that sweet Fling Machine way too early and I spent a shitload of gold as a result.sad

Sorry, I can't hear you from my FLYING METAL BOX!
Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#241: Sep 5th 2009 at 4:34:19 PM

Bleh, I'd have to buy BC and Wot LK to play a DK.

Yeah, I think I'm gonna stick with NC Soft.

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Lost in Space
#242: Sep 5th 2009 at 4:42:48 PM

Matrix, honestly, if you haven't bought either expansion pack and you're still messing around with sub-60 toons, it's hardly worth talking to you about the game. I don't mean this in a bad way — you just haven't experienced even a tenth of the content. There's no shame in not liking World Of Warcraft, but I think that you're making the fundamental (and unfortunately common) mistake of treating it like a single-player game that just happens to have some other people in it. With that attitude, you'll never get to experience raid/heroic dungeons and you almost certainly won't enjoy Pv P, so you've just thrown away three quarters of the game.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#243: Sep 5th 2009 at 4:55:13 PM

Well, I think I've already said that I don't like World Of Warcraft's pvp.

I really don't think I can say much else.

Even if I did buy the expansions, I still don't like the 1-60 leveling process.

FadingEcho Since: Jan, 2001
#244: Sep 5th 2009 at 5:02:41 PM

Each to their own. However, Cataclysm will revamp all of old-world Azeroth, even if you don't have the expansion.

Cat makes me happy anyhow-with the Worgen, maybe part of the noob population will go back to the Alliance.

Rosvo1 Since: Aug, 2009
#245: Sep 5th 2009 at 5:10:36 PM

I was actually thinking of making a Draenei paladin.

Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines. Since: Jan, 2001
Your army sucks.
#246: Sep 5th 2009 at 5:16:27 PM

Even if I did buy the expansions, I still don't like the 1-60 leveling process.

Let's see here: you dislike PVP, you don't like to work in groups, and now your saying that you hate leveling.

That's pretty much the entire game in a nutshell. Matrix I don't think World Of Warcraft is your type of game.

Sorry, I can't hear you from my FLYING METAL BOX!
Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#247: Sep 5th 2009 at 5:35:32 PM

Hm? I never said that I dislike teaming. I just prefer to team on my own terms, and not anyone else's.

If anything, it was soloing that I disliked in World Of Warcraft. Can't take on more than one, maybe two, enemies at a time without dying. Too slow and weak.

And then repops. *shudder*

FadingEcho Since: Jan, 2001
#248: Sep 5th 2009 at 5:43:59 PM

Grouping by definition subjects you to someone else's terms, unless you start a group yourself, and hybrids of any sort who aren't tanks or healers when they start a group aren't popular, because tanks and healers are always in scarce supply.

As for mobs-yes, learn to pull carefully. Most areas don't have a dense mob population, and if you don't go afk repeatedly, respawns are generally slow enough to be a non-issue.

FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#249: Sep 5th 2009 at 5:54:03 PM

Each to their own. However, Cataclysm will revamp all of old-world Azeroth, even if you don't have the expansion.
That's one of the few things about Cata that doesn't make me want to /headdesk. (Tauren paladins and troll druids are also on that list...provided the explanation behind them is halfway decent, anyhow.)

Cat makes me happy anyhow-with the Worgen, maybe part of the noob population will go back to the Alliance.
As someone who has Alliance characters, I'm not too enchanted with that idea (or with worgen in general). And as someone who also has Horde characters...let's just say that I'm not too enchanted with the rumored political troubles (Warchief Squeal...and he kills Cairne?), or with the way that the Horde once again seems to be generally getting hit in the face with the Villain Ball. Among other things.

But...I don't want to be the type of person who ragequits over an expansion pack before they try it out. So I'll probably get it, tool around with it, and see how I like it. (However...they really need to stop screwing over the one Alliance race that I can actually stand to play. That is all)

edited 5th Sep '09 5:56:57 PM by Farseer Lolotea

Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#250: Sep 5th 2009 at 5:56:04 PM

Yyyeah...

Alright, not my kind of game. Reliance on Holy Trinity. Too many things to make sure about.


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