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Had a major breakthrough today: I successfully figured out how to enable an AI ally on Dark Crusade's campaign maps. Haven't playtested it yet and only modded it into non-special territories and Eres Badlands so far, but it looks good.
Kudos to the guy who made a similar mod to Soulstorm. Him asking how to do it on the Relicnews forums is what allowed me to figure it out myself, with some help from Eres Badlands' SCAR file.
I can't seem to end mission 10 of the original Dawn of War. Objective is to kill every last Chaos unit and building but I can't find any more and it won't end.
Which one is that? The Isador one?
Yes, "Old Friend".
I'm now 99% certain that I've killed everything there is to kill. I own every strategic point and I've gone over everywhere else with a landspeeder. This is such a pain.
Have you killed Isador?
I had indeed. I decided to just mess with the game files and manually unlock the next mission.
Necroing the thread to ask a poignant question.
Why the F are Chaos so weak in Dark Crusade? Seriously, I'm getting my ass kicked by the goddamn Imperial Guard. Attacking a strength 6 territory, I immediately honor guard rush one of the enemy bases and take it out, but the other became so powerful in the meantime that I cannot take them on by that point. They are spamming nothing but Guardsmen with plasma guns; no grenade launchers, just plasmas. Which means they outgun and slaughter any ranged squad I throw at them and attempting to engage them in melee results in the melee guys suffering 50% casualties before even getting into range. And that's not counting the constant Psyker spam with their bullshit instantly-break-target-morale lightning. Or the heavy weapons teams whose anti-infantry kits can somehow tear off half of a Chaos Predator's health by the time the tank kills it. Or the Leman Russes who consistently score 2-to-1 kill ratios against Chaos Predators.
I'm currently at an impasse where I managed to kill the bulk of their army and am pushing towards a Relic to keep them from rolling out a Baneblade, but have already failed at least a dozen times in a row because I need to split my forces to keep them from attacking me from behind, but the force that goes for the Relic invariably gets wiped by attrition.
Also attempted to make a pass at Hyperion Peaks as Chaos, but found out the hard way that four Predators are just enough to kill ONE Mek Shop out of three before the opposition rolls out a Squiggoth that singlehandedly kills my entire army. Because the guy who wrote the mission script thought it was funny to give me Cultists for this mission. Not Obliterators, not even Chaos Marines, CULTISTS. Who cannot even equip heavy weapons because I have no Armory.
It is indicative of the character of the sort of traitors that join the heresy that is Chaos.
Well, Chaos has been continuously nerfed since vanilla. Just look at the changes between games.
If there are any good news, it's that my frustration with this crap led me to look into the game files and I located the AI scripts. I'm thinking of throwing out the "is my army larger than the player's?" condition for determining when to attack and replacing it with something else:
Which approach do you think should be better? Mixing the two is one thing, but I feel we could make the AI's aggressiveness depend on what race it's playing as.
Another thing I found is that singleplayer matches apparently set a boolean variable that tells the AI to preferentially pick the first player, ie. the human player, when selecting a target for its next attack. I wonder if this is why there are reports of comp stomp multiplayer games on difficulty levels above Easy frequently having the entire AI team gang up on the server host and the server host alone until he's eliminated and the human team is now playing at a numerical disadvantage? If so, this definitely needs to be turned off because it's not the intended behavior for the AI.
Edited by amitakartok on Sep 8th 2018 at 3:15:31 PM
DoW has its AIs Gang Up on the Human? Well to be fair, it fits the background.
I've often said that the reason that happens is because humanity has the biggest dick in the interstellar dick-waving competition so everyone else is waving their dicks at it trying to show off how big their dicks are.
Except I was playing as Chaos, not either of the Imperial factions.
Anyway. Restarted the mission and went for the IG base not with the honor guard this time, then turned around and gutted the other guy's base too before retreating and setting up a perimeter to keep them boxed in while fortifying the map. Worked much better, though that might be because I only had to watch two entrances for breakout attempts, rather than four, plus I denied all but one strategic points to the AI and kept constantly harassing it to pull its infantry out into heavy bolter crossfire to waste whatever few requisition it had.
Went for Pavonis next, which looked like a really tough nut to crack due to being strength 10 under Tau control and having withstood multiple Necron and Marine attacks. So I decided to leave it for later and spent a turn moving south to go elsewhere - only for the very next Marine attack to take it! So I immediately doubled back and took it off their hands, thank you very much, followed by the Vandean Coast too.
Next target is going to be a tough one because it's right next to the Ork stronghold and they have a big honor guard. As in, big enough to have a looted Russ. Last turn, they attacked my other neighboring province and I kicked them back so hard they lost the Russ, but I know they'll have it back in two turns.
Reason for that is that I saw in the game script files how the AI's honor guard is handled. There is a hidden "army rank" value that increases every turn by a value defined in the AI metamap difficulty file, decreases by a value also set in the same file for every battle lost by the AI, and the race definition file for the AI's faction has a list of the units defining what the AI gets for its honor guard for each army rank. Basically, the AI automatically gets the next item on the list every X turns and each lost battle removes the last Y units from the list, X and Y being values set in script files.
Territory strength works the same way. The AI does not use Planetary Requisition whatsoever. Also, ever noticed that whenever you attack a Necron territory of strength 8 or above, their Summoning Core takes a strangely long time to kill and doesn't seem to display its health bar properly? This is why:
MilitaryStrength = 8,
Blueprint = "necron_plasma_generator",
Blueprint = "necron_plasma_generator",
Blueprint = "necron_summoning_core",
Blueprint = "necron_plasma_generator",
Blueprint = "necron_plasma_generator",
Blueprint = "necron_greater_summoning_core",
Okay. Question. What do you guys think is a better approach for balancing Hyperion Peaks, or at the very least making it less insanity-inducing, without breaking it over one's knee?
I'm also considering the possibility of allowing the player to build some structures. No defenses or vehicles, only infantry training and armories for weapon upgrades.
Not to act like no one here cares about it (I'll admit I've never actually played Dark Crusade myself), but I feel like you'd be better off asking this in some sort of DoW1 modding community.
...I'll admit I'm not entirely sure what would be a good place for that. My best guess would be talking to the Ultimate Apocalypse mod for Soulstorm's community, I think that's probably the most active group for DoW1. Here's the ModDB forum, here's a Discord group.
Edited by VutherA on Sep 13th 2018 at 3:46:39 PM
For me it’s all about strategy. As the Blood Ravens I did it fairly easily; put up turrets and turtled until I got enough strength to destroy each faction, hunting down webway gates and outposts, then I launched an all-out assault on the main base.
This is the mission where you cannot build any structures other than Listening Posts. You get a full army but if it's wiped, it's game over.
Did some experimentation just now. Reducing the AI's starting resources from 5000/5000 to 0/0 completely gutted it. I was already in their base and wrecking their face by the time they made their first Slugga Boy squad. So that's a no-go. I'll try 2000/100 tomorrow; enough for a powerful counter-rush (saved my hide against a Space Marine rush on the Ariel Highlands in my previous battle by out-attritioning their rush with Chaos Marines while my honor guard killed the other AI player and swung around towards these guys to box them in while I fortify the map), but that's it. I understand the reasoning why they give the AI so much to start with, though: if you look at the map, the AI doesn't really have that many strategic points to use, especially with three of them. But 5000 pretty much guarantees that the AI will never run out of resources because the three of them will be getting resources faster than you can kill the units it buys with said resources.
Edited by amitakartok on Sep 13th 2018 at 11:16:30 AM
Oh that one.
I just smashed everything with a doomstack but you have all cultists as well.
Replaced them with Chaos Marines and Obliterators, 50-50. Also gave myself all upgrades and the ability to build an Armory for weapon upgrades.
Back in the day, I solved this mission with invulnerability cheats; I won't do that if I can avoid it. I want the mission to be challenging but doable, not effortlessly easy.
Another round of experimenting today.
Gave the AI 2000/100 in resources. Rolled over them with practically zero resistance.
Gave the AI 3000/1000. Same result.
Restored AI resources to 5000/5000 but disabled Squiggoths, Looted Leman Russes and Killa Kans. AI put up an actual fight this time around, nearly lost all of my armor to lack of micro (lost both Defilers and two Predators, other two Predators were on their last legs) but it still doesn't feel quite right. I'll try re-enabling the Killa Kans and see where it goes.
UPDATE: I think I got it.
This feels right now. The mission is challenging because the Killa Kans force the player to keep moving and cut off their source before losing the only units capable of challenging them, but it's not impossible because the AI no longer has Looted Leman Russes that can pick off the Predators from far outside their range before the player even notices them, nor double Squiggoths capable of soloing the player's entire army by themselves.
Edited by amitakartok on Sep 14th 2018 at 9:37:04 PM
It's pretty telling that for me this mission becamse easier when the Necron AI took the province from the Orks (how does AI-on-AI works in Dark Crusade by the way? Is it a simple die roll?)
I imagine so.
AI on AI is always autoresolved. The odds depend on difficulty level but I seem to remember that on Hard, the attacker has a 45% base chance to win, plus-minus 7% per difference in territory strength.
...okay, this I did not expect.
In my latest playthrough as Chaos, the Necrons got to Hyperion Peaks before me. Now I attack it and... it's a complete and utter pushover.
As in, I destroyed two out of the three bases before they even started making any units beyond Scarabs. And that's without me ever having touched the mission script. I think they're getting screwed over by not starting with any Obelisks and thus their starting troops building super-slowly. Yet another example of the devs not having thought this mission through. I mean, yes, they scripted starting AI assets for every faction for this mission, but they obviously hadn't playtested it with anything other than Orks.
Oh, and the Necron player's name is Ulthwé Strike Force.
Edited by amitakartok on Oct 14th 2018 at 5:58:33 PM
Dark Crusade and Soulstorm'LOLZ' have alot of issues when it comes those special case scenarios where the Devs clearly didn't think the player would get into
IE Your Stronghold gets attacked for example
Another Faction takes one of the Assets/Strongholds so you have to take it from them... leading either to a skirmish map or... something really awkward
Hyperion Peaks is really dependent on which race is holding it and which Race you are using.
The Issue with Chaos is I think they honestly expect you to over-rely on how much of monster a partial upgraded Elpihas is before you get there
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