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ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#126: Jul 15th 2010 at 8:37:16 AM

Mainly though, I just don't see the point. The Star Wars movies were fine just the way they were, they didn't need to be changed.

Not to George Lucas. Like it or not, to him they were "half finished movies" The point of the special editions were to make them closer to his vision, whining fans be damned.

And again, I found some changes in the special editions were defenitely for the better (changing the victory song in Return of the Jedi, replacing the Emperor in the 2004 Empire Strikes Back)

if the new version is cut to resemble the manga, then it begs the question: "Why not just read the manga?"

Because it's cooler and easier for some people to watch a more cut-down, coherent story in animated form.

And if you DON'T want a cut-down version of the anime, "Why not just watch the original anime?" If you can still watch it and enjoy it best, Kai's existance shouldn't be such a problem for you.

edited 15th Jul '10 8:40:34 AM by ManwiththePlan

Edmond_Dantes The Bipolar Troper from Just Over There Since: Dec, 1969
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#127: Jul 15th 2010 at 11:09:36 AM

I'll give you that. At least both the original and the recut are out on DVD for the people who want the version they like best.

(and in the case of Star Wars, they even come packaged together)

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#128: Jul 15th 2010 at 11:18:44 AM

Getting really, really off-topic here.

Edmond_Dantes The Bipolar Troper from Just Over There Since: Dec, 1969
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#130: Aug 2nd 2010 at 1:19:53 PM

Well, I finally broke down and watched an episode. Okay, so I wasn't actually avoiding Kai—I just have no interest in spending money on it. But I had a chance to watch it on Nicktoons. So...

The episode I saw was the one where Mr. Popo takes Bulma to Yunzabit and shows her Kami's ship. It seemed to me like the episode had no difference from its DBZ equivalent—as in I didn't notice any scenes missing or removed (but I wasn't doing a side-by-side comparison, either).

Funimation dubbed this series a LOT better than they did the original, so that much is very pleasing. However, they still made some major gaffs. Like for example, having Bulma outright state that she was mad at Gohan and Krillin for dressing impractically for space conditions (and then Krillin still wonders if he did anything to make her mad—in the original, she only thinks about their impractical dress, she doesn't actually call them out, so it makes sense Krillin would be confused). But this is still the best Dragon Ball Z dub to date.

edited 2nd Aug '10 1:21:12 PM by Edmond_Dantes

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ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#131: Aug 3rd 2010 at 6:09:16 PM

^ Freeza's introduced shortly after that one. Have you seen/heard him yet? The recasting of him and most of his henchmen is one of my favorite things about this dub.

edited 3rd Aug '10 6:09:30 PM by ManwiththePlan

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#132: Aug 6th 2010 at 8:02:18 PM

I saw a few episodes of it. Despite the parts that are the same being, well, the same, being half the show it was makes it a bit less entertaining - I don't want to say it's boring, but it's less fun to watch, and the lack of all the filler means some of the plot holes the filler filled are a bit more obvious.

Edmond_Dantes The Bipolar Troper from Just Over There Since: Dec, 1969
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#133: Aug 7th 2010 at 10:45:03 PM

^^ Actually I haven't seen a Freeza ep yet. I only got a chance to watch that one episode.

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PikaHikariKT Since: Jan, 2001
#134: Sep 3rd 2010 at 8:27:20 AM

Episode 36 will premiere on Monday. Woot, Frieza battle GO!

Electivirus Since: Jan, 2001
#135: Sep 3rd 2010 at 9:50:35 AM

WOOOO!!!! It's about damn time!

PikaHikariKT Since: Jan, 2001
#136: Sep 7th 2010 at 4:23:07 PM

Aaaaand the remaining episodes will air starting Oct. 20. Nick, you ****tease!>:(

Sparkysharps Since: Jan, 2001
#137: Sep 7th 2010 at 4:33:31 PM

lack of all the filler means some of the plot holes the filler filled are a bit more obvious.

My mind's fuzzy — what plotholes did the filler correct. I remember some of it creating plotholes, but not the other way around (It's been awhile since I've watched DBZ, mind you).

Edmond_Dantes The Bipolar Troper from Just Over There Since: Dec, 1969
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#138: Sep 7th 2010 at 9:31:23 PM

I don't recall any filler that "fixed" plot holes (granted, I haven't seen the entire anime), but it did kind of expand on stuff the manga mostly glossed over (like what Tenshinhan, Yamcha etc. were actually doing before Kami summoned them all in the Saiyan chapters) and I will kinda miss that stuff.

Or wait, no I won't. I got the boxes.

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PikaHikariKT Since: Jan, 2001
#139: Sep 21st 2010 at 6:59:18 PM

I just watched the first few eps that aired on Toonzai and HOLY FUCK WHAT DID THEY DO TO MR POPO~?! He's even creepier than he was in the Abridged series now~;_;

Electivirus Since: Jan, 2001
#140: Sep 21st 2010 at 7:24:22 PM

New episodes are already airing? O_O

ShadowSlip Since: Aug, 2010
#141: Sep 27th 2010 at 6:00:52 PM

It's just DBZ placed on a crash diet. I guess it would be too much to ask you do like Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood and add...I don't know, NEW CONTENT.

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#142: Sep 27th 2010 at 6:02:11 PM

Its more manga based, and So is brotherhood. Read them.

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ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#143: Sep 27th 2010 at 6:02:22 PM

^ What new content would you want?

ShadowSlip Since: Aug, 2010
#144: Sep 27th 2010 at 11:58:47 PM

^ Well, an alternate telling of events would be nice. Say, not everyone is so drastically underpowered compared to Goku and Vegeta getting killed on Earth like he SHOULD HAVE!

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#146: Sep 28th 2010 at 1:04:15 AM

^Naw, I need to save any creativity for stuff that I could actually cash in on. That, and too many fanfictions on DBZ. Also, I'm not feeling too confident in my ability to write a fight scene (I'm trying to find some advice on that, but I'm not really finding anything).

Edmond_Dantes The Bipolar Troper from Just Over There Since: Dec, 1969
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#147: Sep 28th 2010 at 1:33:30 AM

Advice on how to write a fight scene? Well, I can tell you a few things:

1) Keep it creative. Don't ever have just a straight-up smack fest. Use strategy. Be willing to bend the rules a bit if it helps.

2) DO NOT introduce a villain by having him come to Earth and totally gob-smacking everyone. That's what the DBZ theatrical movies do and there's a reason they all suck compared to the TV series. No matter how powerful the contestants are, after ten minutes of battle both should be showing signs of wear. If you have a villain take a full-on Spirit Bomb and come out without a scratch, you're doing something wrong (Freeza survived it, but he was bruised all over, had a swollen eye, and took a minute to recover from the sheer shock).

3) Just have fun with it. If you're enjoying writing about it, then your readers will probably enjoy reading about it. Whatever you do, don't take yourself too seriously or get stuck up about anything—keep your tongue firmly in your cheek.

edited 28th Sep '10 1:35:07 AM by Edmond_Dantes

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#148: Sep 28th 2010 at 5:18:18 AM

...this isn't "Dragon Ball, Alternate Universe Edition" and neither was Brotherhood.

The reason Brotherhood exists is because the FMA anime had almost nothing to do with the original Fullmetal Alchemist manga it was supposed to be based on. Brotherhood was a more faithful adaptation.

Likewise, the reason Kai exists is because Z was bloated and full of loads and loads of anime-exclusive filler that was never in the manga, and loads and loads of stalling to try to avoid overtaking the manga.

Asking for new content is missing the point. In both cases, all they're trying to do is make a better anime out of the manga than they had done originally.

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Edmond_Dantes The Bipolar Troper from Just Over There Since: Dec, 1969
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#149: Sep 28th 2010 at 5:33:33 AM

Actually I'm pretty sure Kai was just a money-grab. Nobody had asked for a shortened version of Z, especially not the way we got it (basically just as a re-edit), and you'd think if "being more faithful to the manga" was a consideration then they'd have given the Kai treatment to Dragon Ball, too (remember, Z covers volumes 17-42 of the manga).

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#150: Sep 28th 2010 at 5:55:42 AM

The original dragon ball wasn't even as close to as bad with filler as Z was, though. So there wasn't really a need to give Dragon Ball the Kai treatment.

If Anything, Fist Of The North Star, who did what is considered to be modern Shonen Fighting Series even before Dragon Ball should be given the Kai Treat.

edited 28th Sep '10 5:56:40 AM by Demongodofchaos2

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