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diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100376: May 21st 2023 at 8:46:14 AM

Another thing not to downplay: Assuming what the "Lost Chamber" is, Sabo's probably going to find the Straw Hat, too.

ROTHY Dakini! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Dakini!
#100377: May 21st 2023 at 8:50:17 AM

Was Sugar really that popular enough to show up on this color spread?

"It's just like... a series of overlapping curses..." - Flower Knight Dakini
diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100378: May 21st 2023 at 8:53:10 AM

Who knows what the criteria is? Story prominince? Then where's Pudding? I think its just who Oda frlt like drawing.

Edited by diddyknux on May 21st 2023 at 10:54:10 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#100379: May 21st 2023 at 8:54:48 AM

The criteria could be as simple as "female and/or have boobs".

[up] Or that. Though now it comes up I'm not sure I see anyone from Whole Cake there, and being a villain isn't a disqualifier given Sugar and Ulti.

My favorite part of the cover is Bonney trying to take a bit out of either one of the large fish or Shirahoshi.

The former is more likely, the latter is funnier.

Edited by sgamer82 on May 21st 2023 at 8:59:02 AM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#100380: May 21st 2023 at 9:10:26 AM

Shame Charlos didn't die from that. :(

Oooh, I went back to Imu's original appearances, and with the new exposition about Alabasta not having a sword at the empty throne, Imu having a sword in their hidden flower chamber is suddenly a lot more meaningful. I'd bet anything that's the missing sword representing the Alabasta family, meaning Imu is certainly connected to it.

SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#100381: May 21st 2023 at 9:15:50 AM

My first thought on Lily is that Imu has some sort of mind transfer fruit and Lily was the first victim of it. EDIT Imu and Lily did seem to have similar silhouettes for their hair though.

Edited by SebastianGray on May 21st 2023 at 5:17:54 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#100382: May 21st 2023 at 9:22:42 AM

My first thought was her silhouette was more evocative of Vivi. The more common theory I've seen regarding Imu is they're a beneficiary of the Op-Op Fruit's immortality operation.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#100383: May 21st 2023 at 9:24:34 AM

There's so much going on I can barely keep track.

One Strip! One Strip!
uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#100384: May 21st 2023 at 9:40:06 AM

[up][up]I fully believe that is the case, absolutely everything points to Imu having been around since the government was formed.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#100385: May 21st 2023 at 10:01:55 AM

[up] Agreed. Now I'm wondering if the implication we're getting is Lily is the one who gave Imu the Immortality Operation. Would explain special attachment to her and why she never returned home. Maybe she did it in exchange for the Nefeltari not being one of the 20 families, or she simply had a genuine attachment to Imu and it all went horribly wrong from there.

Edited by sgamer82 on May 21st 2023 at 10:14:37 AM

dArtagnanMusic Since: Oct, 2022
#100386: May 21st 2023 at 11:27:36 AM

The French translation went for Lilie instead, which will be very fun if it turns out to be linked to Amazon Lily.
Also, i can appreciate the sheer guts Cobra had to go to the Five Elders and directly ask them about theVoid Century (albeit in an indirect manner), Lily and the "D", and his sheer terror on the last page was stunning.
Also, realted to last chapter (or chapter 1082, the moment where he tells Chaka nad Pell to leave him alone,) anyone felt like he had insane Rayleigh vibes with the way he was drawn?

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100387: May 21st 2023 at 11:49:54 AM

"The Attempted Murder of A Celestial Dragon" was one of Morgans' big stories, wasn't it? Maybe the next few chapters will be named after the incidents the WEJ did stories on.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#100388: May 21st 2023 at 11:55:07 AM

[up][up] One thing I like about the whole Empty Throne deal is that while we the audience it's an interesting story reveal, In-Universe it's a world-shaking revelation that yes, someone does sit upon the Empty Throne. It's a good "everything's one big lie" moment for anyone who understands the implications.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#100389: May 21st 2023 at 11:57:27 AM

Jesus Charloss is a spoiled brat alright. Even now daddy can't be bothered to tell him not to enslave the princess because he's too much of an enabler.

The Celestial Dragons really have no common sense.

Edited by slimcoder on May 21st 2023 at 11:58:05 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#100390: May 21st 2023 at 12:15:01 PM

You say "Enabler" like he wouldn't have done exactly the same thing if he'd just thought of it first. Roswald isn't enabling Charloss, he's approving of him.

The Celestial Dragons' actions begin to make a lot more sense when you remember that they legitimately view themselves as the gods of the One Piece world. When they say the D is the enemy of the gods, they're referring to themselves. Everyone else are just lowly mortals that can be ignored and/or bought off.

Also, remembering that we had previously seen a photo of Shirahoshi with a knife in it, is it possible Imu did something to egg this on?

Edited by sgamer82 on May 21st 2023 at 12:16:06 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#100391: May 21st 2023 at 2:20:16 PM

I knew the attempted murder of Charloss would turn out to be something else than the earlier scene of Mjosgard hitting him. Interesting that Sai and Leo very publically were the ones who attacked him, but the news didn't report that and the world apparently thinks Sabo did it.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#100392: May 21st 2023 at 2:27:45 PM

They didn't want to start a war with an Emperor alongside their bigger beef with the Revolutionary Army, I guess. Or giving the Straw Hats more cred.

Wake me up at your own risk.
diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100393: May 21st 2023 at 2:30:17 PM

I think Luffy wouldn't have been an Emperor yet at that point, this is all happening during Wano. (I never got the impression the Government took the "Fifth Emperor" thing seriously)

Edited by diddyknux on May 21st 2023 at 4:31:15 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#100394: May 21st 2023 at 2:31:25 PM

Also, we still don't know which of the three stories (between the attempted murder of Charloss, the murder of Cobra, and the vote to disband the Warlords) the WG tried to force Morgans to cover up, first with a bribe then with a Cipher Pol assassin. I think it was probably this one, the attempted murder of Charloss, because the WG didn't want the world to think nearly killing a Celestial Dragon was even possible.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 21st 2023 at 3:01:27 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#100395: May 21st 2023 at 2:33:07 PM

Yeah, the timeline got to me for a second. Still, they probably didn't want to say that there was another enemy in their holy city that managed to go and leave a CD in traction. The thing with the commanders is bad enough already.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#100396: May 21st 2023 at 2:33:33 PM

Imu being Lily is a theory I didn't even consider before getting here in the thread, and even now I get no "Imu is Lily" vibes from it. All it really implies is that Imu was one of the original 20.

I'm curious if there's a reason the translator went with "Lily" over "Lili"

It's to reflect how the Japanese didn't fit the Vivi/Titi pattern. That said, I'd have spelled it as "Lilly" to also account for how it's spelled differently from Amazon Lily.

EDIT: You know, T-bone's death a few weeks ago actually didn't hit me at all when it happened, but it's suddenly hitting me a lot now on the basis of "why did he have to die and Charloss didn't?"

Edited by Comun on May 21st 2023 at 2:38:04 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#100397: May 21st 2023 at 2:40:29 PM

I admit I jumped to conclusions, but Lily and Imu's silhouettes match well, and Imu enters the room just as Cobra mentioned that Lily apparently never came back from Marijoa.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#100398: May 21st 2023 at 2:49:54 PM

[up][up]Because Charloss is rich and powerful while that particular Marine was "just a filthy commoner."

Regarding the latest chapter, I will say that Charloss getting abused will NEVER get old.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on May 21st 2023 at 2:53:11 AM

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#100399: May 21st 2023 at 3:03:17 PM

Also, Lily is the second person who lived in the Void Century that we actually know the name of, second to Toki (assuming that Poseidon and Joy Boy were both pseudonyms).

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100400: May 21st 2023 at 3:04:21 PM

Oh hey, the other day I said this:

...Oh shit, What if the Elders didn't even know Alabasta had a Poneglyph until Kobra asked about them? Unlikely, but the Elders aren't all knowing...

I was close, they've learned Kobra has information he's not supposed to. [lol]


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