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diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100226: May 9th 2023 at 7:19:00 PM

To be clear, I don't think EVERYTHING in Whole Cake worked. I've mentioned before that I didn't really like the entirety of the "Sanji leaves the crew" bit in concept, and seeing it in full context hasn't really changed that opinion. But I think outside of that, the stuff with his family was great and the stuff with Pudding is also pretty great. I guess I can see people being upset that his big climax of the arc is just making a cake, but I can't even say I was really bothered by that.


Hmm... I think Katakuri's a good villain. The best villain? That might be a little far.

Edited by diddyknux on May 9th 2023 at 9:21:30 AM

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#100227: May 9th 2023 at 7:35:15 PM

Katakuri's good, but I don't know if I would even put him in the top 5. My top 5 favorite villains is Big Mom > Kaido > Doflamingo > Blackbeard, then 5th place is either Crocodile or Katakuri.

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100228: May 9th 2023 at 7:36:50 PM

My top 5 personally I think would be Blackbeard, Doflamingo, Crocodile, Big Mom, Kaido. (Kaido and Big Mom are kind of tied. I even had to think about it at first, and there's room for Kaido to move up later if we learn even more about him)

Edited by diddyknux on May 9th 2023 at 9:38:39 AM

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#100229: May 9th 2023 at 7:41:13 PM

I also dont think Katakuri is a Top Tier villain but I still love him to death and he's awesome. It's more of a testament to Oda's writing quality and the awesomeness of his villains that Katakuri doesnt even crack the top 10 despite being such a great villain.

Oh and he is yet another character I didnt feel anything for in the manga but the anime elevated to one of my favorites. Even if I dislike a certain thing from the anime about him that I wont spoil.

Edited by AegisP on May 9th 2023 at 7:42:58 AM

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#100230: May 9th 2023 at 7:44:31 PM

i think mine are like, Blackbeard, Spandam, Caesar, Big Mom, Moriah

I think what's giving me pause is that people seem to like Katakuri because he's respectable, so I gotta see how that comes across.

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#100231: May 9th 2023 at 7:49:39 PM

Respect for putting Spandam up there. He's not strong, but he is a very well-written piece of shit. I definitely like him more than Lucci.

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#100232: May 9th 2023 at 7:52:44 PM

I feel the same. It takes talent to have such a pathetic piece of shit actually evoke so much emotion. He is certainly one of the best villains.

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#100233: May 9th 2023 at 7:56:43 PM

[up][up] Spandam's amazing. I think you needed a villain like him for the Nico Robin stuff to hit as hard as it does.

I don't think it would work as well if Robin was being carted away by someone like Lucci. It had to be someone pathetic, and weak. It's infuriating that this nepotistic shit destroyed ennies lobby via his own incompetence, and yet he STILL almost got away with Robin.

I do think Moriah is the blueprint for my favourite type of One Piece villain though. Conceptually. He's appropriately strong for when he's fought in the story, but he's also VERY pathetic and sad as a character. He walks a line between being a joke and being threatening/thematically interesting.

Edited by GNinja on May 9th 2023 at 2:57:00 PM

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#100234: May 9th 2023 at 8:11:57 PM

My top 5 are Buggy, Katakuri, Moriah, Doflamingo, and Arlong, with Spandam and Big Mom being very close honorable mentions and Kuzan being an expected addition once all questions are answered. One member climbed from 3rd to 1st this very week, but he'd have been on the top 5 either way.

Your Moriah comment is really perfect, but Katakuri's appeal isn't really similar. The thing with Katakuri is that he's a really obvious archetype but he somehow still manages to be the only one of his kind in One Piece. He surprises with how it took this long for his type to appear and shows off the lowkey fascinating ways Luffy engages with this kind of personality.

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#100235: May 9th 2023 at 8:24:31 PM

I think he already knows he isnt similar. Katakuri is badass, composed and somewhat sympathetic which he already said is not the kind of villain he likes.

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#100236: May 9th 2023 at 9:47:01 PM

I'd say my top 5 would be: Blackbeard, Big Mom, Buggy, Crocodile and Kaku, with Doflamingo being a very close runner up. I like Katakuri too, not as much as most others seem to, but still enough that he would likely be in my top 10.

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#100237: May 10th 2023 at 10:14:17 AM

Interesting we met the Revolutionaries' subcommanders from the Four Blues this chapter. Might we presume Inazuma, Iva-chan's snippy-snippy sidekick, is this the Grand Line subcommander? Can't really think of anyone else that makes sense.

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#100238: May 10th 2023 at 10:19:31 AM

Yeah, I'm guessing that Inazuma is Ivankov's subcommander and Koala is Sabo's subcommander.

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#100239: May 10th 2023 at 10:27:01 AM

In the SBS for vol. 93 Oda had already confirmed that each of the 5 Revolutionary commanders have second-in-commands and he confirmed that Inazuma is indeed Iva's.

He also named Ahiru as Betty's back then.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#100240: May 10th 2023 at 10:57:11 AM

Funnily enough, Koala's position given in her Odabox when first introduced was something like "Assistant Fishman Karate Teacher." She seems to have authority vastly transcending that mundane description, though - she almost always has direct contact with Sabo, and a seat at The Big Table.

Edited by HamburgerTime on May 10th 2023 at 12:57:32 PM

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100241: May 10th 2023 at 2:44:22 PM

Seeing as characters usually don't talk about themselves unless they have a reason to thus probably isn't a thing, but I wonder if Robin and Jimbei have realized they have a mutual friend in Koala yet?

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#100242: May 10th 2023 at 3:06:33 PM

I feel like Koala probably mentioned Jimbei to Robin, so she probably knows, but she probably didn't mention it to Jimbei (she didn't tell Luffy that Sabo was alive, after all).

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100243: May 10th 2023 at 3:10:23 PM

That I always assumed he asked her not to. Let him approach it his way. Plus, she probably wouldn't want to spoil that moment for Luffy anyway.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#100244: May 10th 2023 at 5:22:54 PM

[up] The latter actually makes a lot of sense, to be honest.

Dracoblade Since: May, 2009
#100245: May 11th 2023 at 1:07:10 PM

It would also explain why Robin never told Luffy about Sabo, or anything about his father.

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#100246: May 12th 2023 at 6:28:22 PM

It sure is funny how Thriller Bark keeps relating to the Emperors. Moria's backstory is tied up in Kaido and Wano... We meet Lola, our first child of Big Mom, here and Nami receives her Vivre Card... Absalom gets killed by Blackbeard and his Devil Fruit given to Shiryu... Obviously, Moria got his shit rocked by Luffy... The armband that Luffy takes from Moria's treasure is a map he gives to Buggy (I believe we still haven't followed up with that, have we?) I wonder if Moria or anything else related to Thriller Bark has ever had involvement with Whitebeard or Shanks?

Edited by diddyknux on May 12th 2023 at 8:29:49 AM

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#100247: May 12th 2023 at 7:23:04 PM

[up] Also Captain John, the pirate whose treasure Buggy was seeking post-Alabasta, was one of the general zombies.

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#100248: May 12th 2023 at 7:52:18 PM

Luffy's armband was a map marker for Captain John's treasure, so Moria probably got it from Captain John's corpse. The real connection there is that Captain John is a former member of the Rocks Pirates, which meant he was crewmates with Whitebeard, Kaido, and Big Mom.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 12th 2023 at 7:53:29 AM

Dracoblade Since: May, 2009
#100249: May 12th 2023 at 8:33:55 PM

Also, that marker makes the second time Nami unknowingly let a priceless treasure go. She gave it to Luffy because she thought it was a useless trinket. The first time was when she tried to "steal" gold from from Skypeia, totally unaware that they don't value gold up there and would happily have given her 10 times more if she just asked for it.

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#100250: May 12th 2023 at 8:47:45 PM

Though to be fair, there's no way the Merry would have been able to support that giant gold pillar. It would have sunk even without the extreme crippling damage it had suffered.


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