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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1: Jul 21st 2022 at 2:45:30 PM

The flag here for ChristianPotterChandler was sent with the rationale

Contains a depiction of a prepubescent child masturbating; exists only to insult a real life person.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#2: Jul 21st 2022 at 4:40:37 PM

IIRC when this came up on the thread, it was like a brief nonexplicit reference to the pubescent character masturbating, right?

I'm more concerned about our stance on CWC stuff.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#3: Jul 21st 2022 at 4:58:04 PM

[up]CWC is not this subforum's problem, though. Angel this and get it out of the way.

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#4: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:16:01 PM

What Ramidel said. Dealing with our stance on CWC stuff in this forum is like trying to change a trope's definition in Image Picking.

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#5: Jul 21st 2022 at 6:17:10 PM

I don't think that's what Mew was suggesting? The current stance is that we treat Christine like we treat Fight Club - don't talk about it. So it makes works like this a bit sticky. But it seems to just a dark comedy so I think it's fine anyway.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#6: Jul 21st 2022 at 7:40:55 PM

Yeah, what I meant was "the issues with CWC discussed in other fora are more likely to affect this fic than the single masturbation reference." And even that's still not guaranteed.

My point is that the masturbation reference is not an issue, nor even the fact it's about a parody of a real person.

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#7: Jul 21st 2022 at 11:40:11 PM

I stand by what I said when I originally reported this. The masturbation scene alone should kick this off the wiki, because it's a preteen depiction of a real person engaging in sexual activity.

(Plus, after I reported it, that other CWC drama happened, but that's not the scope of this forum.)

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#8: Jul 22nd 2022 at 9:39:32 AM

But it's technically a parody of the real person, right? It's insulting but we don't count that for the policy. And she was an adult when the fic was written so it's not like it was even sexualizing someone who was a real child.

I remember discussing this and it was discovered that it was like... one paragraph and not even super explicit. Can we revisit the actual fic again for context?

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 22nd 2022 at 12:39:53 PM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#9: Aug 30th 2022 at 3:13:22 AM

Bumping so that it doesn't remain stuck between locked threads.

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paradisedj32 Since: Jan, 2011
#10: Aug 30th 2022 at 3:19:42 PM

I can't find the paragraph supposedly depicting him masturbating with a quick CTRL+F though the work (I did find two sentence that clearly mention he does masturbate, but neither I'd call a depiction), and I'm not in a mood to read closely through the 20 000 words of CWC right now. But even though his character is based on things that happened to the real CWC after high school, fanfic!CWC is clearly underage. Both per rules of harry potter canon, and a line referring to him as a "a 10-year-old [who] had no other sexual outlet".

Given the general tone of the story I don't expect I'll want to cut it for pedo-pandering (I can't agree with a an unconditional cut on any discussion of 10 year old masturbation given that can happen IRL, and this one does probably is not trying to get the reader masturbating. I can't call it a "serious" treatment, but I think it's established that's not a necessary criterion to avoid getting cut?) even if shown the paragraph in question, but who knows? Everything else, while I'd like to discuss it, is above this subforum's pay grade.

Edited by paradisedj32 on Aug 30th 2022 at 7:21:34 AM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Aug 30th 2022 at 4:26:59 PM

As said above, keep. The masturbation scene seems reasonable enough, and the out-of-universe bullshit is for someone else to deal with.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#12: Aug 30th 2022 at 4:52:26 PM

If we can trope South Park and Big Mouth then I don't think a brief mention of a preteen boy masturbating is cutworthy.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 30th 2022 at 7:52:33 AM

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#13: Aug 30th 2022 at 9:21:52 PM

Also something existing purely to insult a real person being grounds to cut a work would mean cutting any show like Our Cartoon President or The Prince (2021) (which makes fun of a real child).

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#14: Aug 30th 2022 at 9:31:56 PM

Keep, a reference to masturbation doesn't even move the needle on pedopandering.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#15: Aug 31st 2022 at 2:05:33 AM

~Scarleteyes, where is the masturbation scene?

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#16: Aug 31st 2022 at 10:48:35 AM

Haven't read the work, just learned about the scene through the trope page.

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#17: Aug 31st 2022 at 11:51:06 AM

Okay. So uh if its just a mention and like not even detailed. I think we can close up.

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#18: Aug 31st 2022 at 11:51:26 AM

Uh, yeah, with that this is definitely a "keep" case.

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#19: Sep 1st 2022 at 2:29:10 PM

Here's the scene paradisedj32 mentioned. At the start of chapter 2:

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Another school day; in other words, another day of hell. Chris oozed out of bed and started looking for socks. He found a pair under his bed and, after using a pencil to scrape navy off one of them, put them on. Chris was used to navy-crusted socks, because a 10-year-old had no other sexual outlet that was satisfying to the point where it would be difficult to pass off as an accident. He'd pledged not to ever tell anyone he mass debated before the age of 16.

When he was dressed he went down the hall into the kitchen. The table was almost hidden beneath all the Chandlers' junk and food. It looked as though Barb had made an early-morning trip to the thrift shop.

Just then, Barb wheeled in a kid's bicycle. "Enjoy, kid," she said, and left without another word.

Exactly what Barb expected Chris to do with a bicycle was a mystery to him, as he was very fat and hated exercise — unless of course it was strictly exercising his wrist. Perhaps it had something to do with living behind several layers of thrift store junk, but Chris had always been able to get in a quick stroke whenever he pleased. He was so good at danger wanking it's a wonder his right hand was as limp and weak as his left.

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#20: Sep 1st 2022 at 2:35:40 PM

Woah that's quite tame. It doesn't even go into any details and you know isn't even explicit.

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#21: Sep 1st 2022 at 2:36:22 PM

Yeah, that's probably tamer than a lot of teen-centric works are when it comes to this stuff, honestly.

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
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#22: Sep 1st 2022 at 2:38:30 PM

Yeah, keep, I've read stuff more explicit in Light Novels. Non-ecchi ones even.

Edited by StarSword on Sep 1st 2022 at 5:39:01 AM

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4maskwolf Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
#23: Sep 1st 2022 at 2:41:32 PM

Yeah that’s no more explicit than, like, The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian as far as masturbation references go, and arguably quite a bit less (if significantly more mocking). Reaffirming my keep vote.

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#24: Sep 3rd 2022 at 4:02:25 PM

You wanna lock this?

I think we have way more than enough consensus to keep.

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#25: Sep 3rd 2022 at 7:19:26 PM

I'll throw in a keep cookie, as the short paragraphs aren't explicit.

Edited by callmeamuffin on Sep 4th 2022 at 12:23:03 AM

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