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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#101: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:14:28 PM

I like Fuzzy People. Scaly People and Feathered People could be redirects. The trope name doesn't have to cover all its possible meanings. Many trope descriptions include a paragraph that says "This doesn't only apply to...". Kick the Dog is not only about striking a canine with your feet.

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#102: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:16:15 PM

No but its nice for a trope to have a name that covers the entire range of examples Humanoid Animal does that and I really cant think of anything else that covers it.

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#103: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:17:13 PM

Hence the 'not 100% accurate' thing... maybe we're going about this backward? We can label petting zoo people the middle road and the ears and tails crowd can be Cute Animal Traits or something else...

Just, trying to think outside the box.

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#105: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:20:51 PM

[up][up] Actually I like that idea. although its more than Tails and Ears... Petting-Zoo People could become rank 2 while Rank 1 could be something else umm Not Quite Human? While we have an index called Humanoid Animal?

Ok nvm on the Not Quite Human thing That's the Index for all this.

edited 21st Oct '10 5:22:59 PM by Raso

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#106: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:21:39 PM

Maybe, yeah. Until recently in the thread, I thought Petting-Zoo People meant humanoid animals, not animaloid humans (kemonomimi). I think maybe that mistake caused a lot of misunderstanding about who was saying what. There is way more agreement than disagreement going on here.

(note that Humanoid Animals exists, it's a redirect to Petting-Zoo People... how do I delete it? perhaps Humanoid Animal or Humanoid Animals should be a title or an index or a redirect, but the existing redirect is wrong and confusing from any standpoint)

edited 21st Oct '10 5:26:12 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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#107: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:23:52 PM

I do realize its more than ears and tails. But right now with all trope names in flux, I might as well call it something. A barely animal name works fine to me.

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#108: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:25:01 PM

Wow there are alot of subtropes to Petting-Zoo People and I think all of them have the types we have been talking about.

edited 21st Oct '10 5:37:56 PM by Raso

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#109: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:34:44 PM

a different suggestion...

  • all humanoid animals and animaloid humans (supertrope, no examples)
    • Type 1 (just calling it that so we have a name), humanoid animal with low/medium anthropomorphisation (subtrope), e.g. Mickey Mouse or Daffy Duck
    • Type 2 (ditto), humanoid animal with medium/high anthropomorphisation (subtrope), e.g. furry-style characters like Freya Crescent or Star Fox
    • Type 3, animaloid humans (subtrope), e.g. kemonomimi like Firefox-tan or Kotaro from Negima

  • cat girl (maybe a subtrope of the supertrope, but probably just its own thing), cat-themed humanoid animals or animaloid humans, examples from all three types
  • bee people (ditto), bee-themed humanoid animals or animaloid humans, examples from all three types
  • etc...

edited 21st Oct '10 5:44:01 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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#110: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:35:37 PM

how entrenched is the name Petting-Zoo People to mean what we have it meaning now? I'd hate to see us cause confusion by redefining an often-used name...

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#111: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:36:52 PM

The entrenched meaning is muddled. Follow the wicks. The bandaid is going to have to be ripped off at some point.

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#112: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:37:34 PM

All the subtropes seem to cover type 2 I think.

Petting-Zoo People found in: 685 articles, excluding discussions.

This title has brought 943 people to the wiki from non-search engine links since 20th FEB '09.

  1. Main/Humanoid Animals
On 26 page(s).
  1. Main/Kemonomimi
On 6 page(s).

Instead of splitting what if we do the Type A and Type B thing? like Tsundere.

Type A fitting the ones who are hideable and then Type B as the full body workup.

Funny Animal stays the same.

edited 21st Oct '10 5:55:05 PM by Raso

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#113: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:41:20 PM

Funny Animal is a bad choice as the over-trope.

The subtropes of Petting-Zoo People suggest making it Type Two (it stays as it is).

Barely Bestial Beings can be the 10% crowd, alliterative appeal being what it is (we can add redirects as needed).

Funny Animals stays as it is.

edited 21st Oct '10 5:41:43 PM by Rakath

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#114: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:43:07 PM

^^ So instead of four separate articles for archetype and three special types, one article that describes the archetype and all three special types?

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edited 21st Oct '10 5:44:37 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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#115: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:46:31 PM

No what I was meaning this

  • Funny Animal stays the same.

  • Petting-Zoo People is softsplit into

    • Type A the ones with side characteristics such as ears and tail.
    • Type B is Freya type.

No new page created. No massive mess of wicks.

edited 21st Oct '10 5:47:51 PM by Raso

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#116: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:46:51 PM

Either three articles. Barely Bestial Beings (ears and a tail), Petting-Zoo People (people with animal traits), Funny Animal (animals with a few people traits). Or Raso's suggestion above. Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be.

edited 21st Oct '10 5:49:16 PM by shimaspawn

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#117: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:47:53 PM

Not exactly, it'd be:

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#118: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:49:11 PM

^^^ agree, that is a great plan

edited 21st Oct '10 5:52:14 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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#119: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:49:56 PM

^ That's not more complicated. The supertrope there is an index they all fit on. The Cat Girl type articles are subtropes. They can just be linked to the proper supertrope. Otherwise nothing is happening to them.

edited 21st Oct '10 5:52:10 PM by shimaspawn

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#120: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:53:10 PM

^ Yes, it seemed as though you thought Raso's suggestion is complicated. Edited out my erroneous comment.

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#121: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:54:28 PM

The only problem I have with Rakath is that Cat Girl, Peacock Girl, Pig Man, Beast Man you could make a case for both even though the last 2 would vary depending on exactly how they are depicted (I had to look at the wicks closely to see it ><).

Anyway Crowner?

edited 21st Oct '10 5:55:55 PM by Raso

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#122: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:56:40 PM

^ A trope can have two parent tropes. We just have to list them both. Not a big deal.

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#123: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:57:43 PM

Then we can list them under both as well, then. I'm not seeing a problem. As all the subtropes of Petting-Zoo People are in the Not Quite Human index.

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#124: Oct 21st 2010 at 5:57:58 PM

Ahh ok I didn't know that they did that since it would be appearing twice on Fantastic Sapient Species Tropes.

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#125: Oct 21st 2010 at 6:05:28 PM

Regarding the confusion of cartoon furries with their Real Life fans: Furry Fandom already has a page.

Although it looks like you lot have moved on to trying to find some other name for the category.

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