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Dec 16th 2010 at 1:59:33 PM

Just for a chance of pace, here's a trope where the name is universal and the trope is specific.

Seriously, you can't tell me there's anyone who, when they hear "second chance" think "gets turned into a baby so they can maybe not grow up to be evil this time". Sure, it's an apt description of that trope, but it's a good description of a bunch of other ones too.

That said, from what I can tell there's not much blatant misuse on the page itself, but it's not really being used a lot either. It's brought 16 people to the wiki, and is listed on 15 pages. Of those, only 10 are actually work/character pages listing an example of the trope, and of those at least one (Enigmata) actually says it's an example not of the trope but of the concept the trope's name refers to.

I dunno, having such an everyday name for such a specific, fantastic trope just kinda bothers me, and it looks like it's so unused it can afford a rename.

suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
Dec 16th 2010 at 2:08:24 PM

Yeah, that definitely needs changing. Should be relatively painless, though, just needs additional: Second Chance At Life? Second Chance To Be Good?

Jet-a-Reeno!
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Dec 16th 2010 at 5:32:31 PM

Yup.

edited 16th Dec '10 5:32:53 PM by SpellBlade

troacctid "µ." from California
Dec 16th 2010 at 6:38:08 PM

Second Chance Through Rebirth? Restart And Try Again?

edited 16th Dec '10 6:38:33 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
MetaFour AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN from a place
troacctid "µ." from California
Dec 26th 2010 at 6:01:30 PM

bunp

Actually, I'm not sure what to do at this point. I haven't gotten much response, but what I have gotten is unanimous in favor of rename, and I seriously can't imagine anyone arguing the current name is a good one. Should I do a single prop crowner, go straight to a rename one, or just wait?

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Dec 26th 2010 at 6:12:17 PM

Make a rename or not crowner probably. Just to be on the safe side.

Fight smart, not fair.
Dec 27th 2010 at 11:29:25 AM

OK.

Should I rewrite the pro/con? I think a crowner should give reasons, but I really had trouble thinking of any reason to keep the name, and I thought just listing pros wouldn't be classy.

edited 27th Dec '10 11:31:57 AM by joeyjojojuniorshabadoo

Jan 5th 2011 at 6:15:36 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's a consensus.

Also, I know it's standard to make the old name of a renamed trope a redirect, but could that not happen with this one? Second Chance should lead to...something, but not this trope. What say you guys?

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jan 5th 2011 at 8:50:19 AM

Looks like a consensus to me. And I agree that Second Chance should not remain as a redirect. Cutting it will break 25 inbound links, but we really do need to use it for the correct trope.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Jan 6th 2011 at 6:05:09 AM

...Well will you look at that, somebody already made an alternate name crowner for me. I didn't even see that.

...And it already seems to have a consensus! Yay!

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jan 6th 2011 at 6:18:36 AM

Yeah this one was working for quite a while, I think back in September or even earlier. We'll let it go at least a few days for any new folks who didn't see it back then to vote...

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Jan 11th 2011 at 8:38:51 AM

Well it's been five days with as far as I can tell no change in votes. I think we can go ahead and call this one, no?

troacctid "µ." from California
Jan 11th 2011 at 10:13:01 AM

Looks like a strong consensus to me.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jan 11th 2011 at 10:35:33 AM

Looks good to me. Please remember to copy over the discussion (if there is any), and the YKTTW link (if there is one).

edited 11th Jan '11 10:36:20 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Jan 11th 2011 at 10:57:41 AM

I made the new page and changed all the works pages that listed this trope, but I'm not sure what to do with the page itself, since we established that it shouldn't be a redirect. Also, how do I copy over the YKTTW?

edited 11th Jan '11 10:58:32 AM by joeyjojojuniorshabadoo

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jan 11th 2011 at 11:55:26 AM

Put the Second Chance page on the cutlist. For the YKTTW, in this case, the link is in the archived discussion. Open the link, than copy and paste the url to the new discussion page with a note along the lines of

"Formerly 'Second Chance', from YKTTW [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=qmqdj7a8&trope=SecondChance Purification Via Regression]]; rename discussion [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=jozuj3h0rc53krigtdcy6ums here]]"

edited 11th Jan '11 11:56:40 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jan 11th 2011 at 11:59:35 AM

Wait, you can skip all that. The Discussion mover widget moved it all, including the YKTTW link.

Just cutlist the Second Chance page.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Jan 12th 2011 at 12:48:41 PM

Page has apparently been cut, so I guess we're done here.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jan 12th 2011 at 1:11:30 PM

Locking it up then. Thank you for doing the move.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
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