Rap and Hip-Hop

Huh, somehow my eyes skipped 'T. Oh, also just remembered De La Soul, Talib Kweli and Common.

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OK, I checked them all out on You Tube (the recommendations from your first recommendation post), and I'm impressed. Genuinely impressed.. They were all very good indeed, particularly Mos Def, who is one of the most skillful rappers I've ever heard. Overall, I have to say, Crowning Music Of Awesome, which is something I both expected and didn't expect.

I've been missing a whole world of good rap music. I got so accustomed to that mainstream radio bullshit that I didn't try and dig deeper (why I didn't dig deeper, I don't know, because digging deeper was what got me into metal). Hm. Maybe I could become an absolutely huge music buff by digging into loads of different genres. First metal, then other types of rock, then rap... what should I check out next? I'm up for jazz, myself.

Haven't checked out any from your second recommendation post. I'll go do that now.

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As for Jazz, John Coltrane is always a good pllace to start.

[ed.] Also, for rap, check out T He Roots as well.

edited 23rd Oct '09 2:06:44 PM by JethroQWalrustitty

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Words hurt, my friend.

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!

Wicked 223: If it helps any, the particular type of fan I hate is the one who has all the hateful traits (they have to be homophobic, misogynistic, gangsta-obsessed and listen to all three of those "artists"). Hope that lessens the pain.

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TO the man (and anyone else) looking for good stuff. The Def Jux and Anticon labels are always a good place to start. But for more specific stuff i now present to you...

ARTISTS WHO ARE NOT WHACK

• Aesop Rock: Signed to Def Jux, Discography
• Music For Earthworms 1997: Self Released
• Appleseed 1999: Self Released
• Float 2000: Mush
• Labor Days 2001: Def Jux
• Daylight 2002 Def Jux
• Bazooka Tooth 2003: Def Jux
• Build Your Own Bazooka Tooth (Acapella & Instrumental Album) 2003: Def Jux
• Fast Cars, Danger, Fire, & Knives 2005: Def Jux
• None Shall Pass 2007: Def Jux
• Doseone
• Hemispheres 1997: A Purple 100
• Slowdeath 2000: A Purple 100
• The Pelt 2004: A Purple 100 (Comes w/ a book)
• Ha 2005: A Purple 100
• Soft Skulls 2007: Self Released (No Music. Spoken Word)
• Skeleton Repellent 2007: Purple Gorilla
• Be Evil 2009: Self Released
• (Dose is also a member of no fewer than four groups, but you can look those up if you want.)

• and now i present
• ARTISTS I KNOW SIGNIFICANTLY LESS ABOUT
• Dilated Peoples
• Sage Francis
• Atmosphere
• MF DOOM (aka Madvillian aka Dr. Dooom aka Dangerdoom)
• BlackStar (Mos Def & Telib Kweli)
• The Jedi Mind Tricks
• R.A. The Rugged Man

That took longer than it should have didn't it? Oh well.

edited 25th Oct '09 5:16:09 PM by El The Daze

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Above suggestions are swell.

I have a slight problem with Jedi Mind Tricks, and affiliate Army of the Pharaohs, but damned if they don't make some of the best rap out there.

edited 26th Oct '09 2:42:31 AM by JethroQWalrustitty

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Could I be a bit n00bish about this and ask what the problem is? I've only heard a tiny bit of their stuff, so I'm not really aware of any problems.

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Homophobia.

Well, it's not solely their problem, but a problem in the rap scene at large  ^*

. This just becomes a problem with JMT generally being quite agreeable to me, since they take a rather leftist stance on many things. I just like to pretend those parts of the lyrics don't exist.

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Ah. Yes, that's a particular problem with the rap scene, I agree. It's one of the many reasons I turned away from the genre.

It's weird: most rap groups/rappers like to think of themselves as relatively left-wing, and "fight the man", "fight for freedom", stuff like that. Even if it's not a major part of their music, they still probably think that. So why the rampant homophobia? This may count as a form of that stupid law, but the so-called "fighting the man" of many homophobic rappers is nearly as bad for the LGBT movement as Westboro Baptist Church.

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Actually WBC is relatively harmless, just annoying. And while I don't like supporting homophobes, the message in the music isn't the main problem, it's the deep rooted attitudes that are the problem, and said attitudes just spill over to the music.

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I'm currently doing a bit of an exploration in goth/post-punk and doom metal, the creepy counterparts to their respective main genres, so I may as well spread my horizons a bit further. Besides those that fall under the dubious category 'trip-hop', are there any other good rap/hip-hop groups that would lean towards similar themes?

Aww, did I hurt your widdle fee-fees?

Horrorcore would be a bit like that. I don't know much about the genre, it's hard to draw the line between Hardcore Rap and Horrorcore. Necro is always a good place to start.

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Thank you!

The Tricks can get a little, extreme in their lyricism. But i only own one album, and its a comp, so i really can't speak with extensive knowledge.

It is quite a problem, but its worth noting that there is actually an entire subgenre of rap called Homo Hop. But its one of those "...Or So I Heard" things, nobody will admit to listening to it.

edited 29th Oct '09 9:21:02 AM by El The Daze

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Gah, homo hop is mostly, well, pretty bad. I do like God-Des, though she's a lesbian.

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^can't argrue with you there...

Horrorcore is a difficult genre, there are a lot of Horrorcore groups and not very many good ones. The only one that i would recommend off the top of my head is Grayskul. A lot of people will recommend I.C.P., but they and some of their fans can be jerks. Some of Sole's work falls into the Horrorcore genre, but not all of it, and his stuff is more like if David Lynch took up rapping than doom metal.

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sorry to doublepost, but, it occured to me that i should recommend some instrumental hip-hop artists.

-DJ Shadow

-Rjd2 (early work, he's a singer now)

-DJ Vadim

-Blockhead (by himself)

-DJ Food

-DJ Spooky

This thread has been vacant since yesterday, that means it's link time

Aesop Rock - No Jumper Cables (DJ Pawl Remix)[1]

Rjd2 - The Horror [2]

Themselves - Long Time Coming (feat. Lionesque) [3]

Public Enemy - Black is Back (feat. AC/DC) [4]

i'll post more later

edited 31st Oct '09 4:28:50 PM by El The Daze

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Some great hip-hop acts I recommend, underground or otherwise.

Wu-Tang Clan (and the solo albums!) Jedi Mind Tricks Madlib (plus all collabs and side projects) 7L & Esoteric Mos Def A Tribe Called Quest Dilated Peoples The Roots The Pharcyde Akrobatik Murs Black Milk Slum Village Mr. Lif Dälek Talib Kweli Redman Antipop Consortium Busta Rhymes UGK J Dilla Kool G Rap & DJ Polo Ice Cube (no, really) MF DOOM Masta Ace Devin the Dude

Hip-hop is my favorite. It's soooo misunderstood (and misrepresented).

Man. i love RZA.

"They truly were a Aqua Teen Hunger Force"

Wait, what? This thread exists again?

YAY!

Rza is the Wu-Tang producer right? Excellent work.

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Yeah, he's pretty good. Hell, all the members (and ex-members) of Wu Tang Clan are pretty good.

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Shame about ODB though, why do the handful of good mainstream rappers either end up as one-hit-wonders or die? It's unfair.

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I'm not a big Wu-Tang fan, but they're in the top 20.

To my embarassment, I actually haven't listened to Liquid Swords yet. I'll have to see if it's on Spotify.

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@El: TOO MUCH AESOP ROCK FFFFFFFFFFFFF

Well, let's see: Antipop Consortium's Tragic Epilogue and Arrythmia, dalek's From Filthy Tongue of Gods and Griots and Absence, Atmosphere's When Life Gives You Lemons, You Paint That Shit Gold and Lucy Ford, Nas' Illmatic, Wu-Tang Clan's Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), GZA/Genius's Liquid Swords, Nujabes' Modal Soul, Lupe Fiasco's Lupe Fiasco's Food and Liquor (yep, redundant), Flying Lotus' Los Angeles, Madlib's Shades of Blue,J Dilla's Donuts, MF DOOM's Operation: Doomsday and MM...Food, cLOUDDEAD's cLOUDDEAD, Aesop Rock's Daylight, Immortal Technique's Revolutionary Vol.1, A Tribe Called Quest's The Low End Theory. I think that's enough for now, lol. I can narrow that all down to just songs and not albums, if you'd like. :3

edited 24th Nov '09 11:04:36 AM by Neccy60

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There is no such thing.

Sure, you can say songs. also lines are done by double backslashes (like // but the other way).

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