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Zeldalover Since: Oct, 2020
#60951: Mar 1st 2021 at 3:24:22 PM

Got to the point where the real killer is revealed. I was actual spoiled on the twist years before I was ever interested but I wish I could have been able to go into the game blind. A lot of people compare him to Yoshikage Kira but in a lot o ways hes basically the opposite.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#60952: Mar 1st 2021 at 4:52:33 PM

He's a lot like another super popular Kira character in that he would probably just be a normal dude if he didn't stumble across the supernatural shit.

The legend has returned.
MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#60953: Mar 1st 2021 at 5:21:47 PM

[up] Thought he'd still be an ass...which also applies to Lighttongue

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#60954: Mar 1st 2021 at 6:33:33 PM

He'd still be a misogynistic creep without the supernatural powers. And what happened with Yamano seemed like a matter of time with him.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60955: Mar 1st 2021 at 6:46:59 PM

I think I compared Light to Adachi when I played P4, too.

Boredom is a big problem for both of them. They're too smart for their own good and the existence they've been dealt does not satisfy their intellects or egos.

It is important to understand that maniacal laughing Adachi is just as much of a mask as jokester dummy Adachi. This is one big difference between him and Light.

The real Adach is an enigma. I got the vague feeling he's almost like Mitsuo - just empty on the inside, desperately trying to fill a void.

Edited by Nikkolas on Mar 1st 2021 at 6:49:13 AM

deludedmusings Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60956: Mar 1st 2021 at 7:05:46 PM

Adachi isn't that smart. He has the ego, but he's not some super genius. He just thinks he's better than everybody around him.

In the real world he'd be the dude who spends all his day on social media "well actually"'ing women.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60957: Mar 1st 2021 at 7:33:44 PM

Yeah. Adachi was no genius. He just lucked into some incredible power, that he managed to mostly figure out before he accidentally killed himself (he admitted after he threw in Yamano that he wasn't sure if he could go through and hadn't tried yet, but I truly think if thing had been different, he might have let curiosity get the better of him at some point) and then got someone else to do the rest of the work for him.

The fact that he only got caught because others had the same ability as him doesn't mean that much. He just had a lot of things going in his favour.

One Strip! One Strip!
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60958: Mar 1st 2021 at 7:52:48 PM

While I was embellishing on Adachi's backstory in my mind and he is no Light in terms of being a super genius, I got the impression he was a nerd and workaholic. He studied and studied and put put all his efforts into learning.

That doesn't make you a genius but it does suggest Adachi was probably more dedicated and smarter than most. It's the total opposite of his slacker persona. Like, being a slacker idiot only works if he's not actually those things. You don't disguise yourself as what you are. So if he's not a lazy dumbass, he has to be a smart, focused fellow. And what we learn of his backstory seems to support that.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60959: Mar 1st 2021 at 8:05:51 PM

Well, I didn't say he was dumb either.

Yeah, there was a lot of luck in his movements, but he also played a nifty game of Xanatos Speed Chess, using his new abilities well, and then finding a way to set up an entertaining game where he didn't even need to get his hands dirty.

I'd say more, but I'm not sure how far along Zeldalover is, and don't want to spoil.

One Strip! One Strip!
Zeldalover Since: Oct, 2020
#60960: Mar 1st 2021 at 9:59:31 PM

Ive beaten Ameno Sagiri and Ive started the January segment of the game.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#60961: Mar 2nd 2021 at 12:43:49 AM

I got the impression that Adachi was a hard worker in the past, but getting assigned to Inaba killed his motivation.

Tho it's worth noting we don't actually know what he did to get dumped there, and I think most people infer that it was Something Bad.

Bewitching Eyes
Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#60962: Mar 2nd 2021 at 4:21:58 AM

Another difference between adachi and light is that we get to see light without the death note and Light turns out to be a good-ish person. The death note explicitly corrupts him. Adachi has always had a deep seated mishantropy, something he still stands by even way after learning his lesson in arena ultimax.

The biggest change in him is that rather than projecting it unto everyone else, he comes to acknowledge the mishantropy to be his alone and that not everyone is like that.

More than any of the kiras, he has a lot of similarity with the early antagonists of Jojo part 4,of ordinary, small time jerks being handed a superpower they thought would let them get away with everything and went on a power trip. And much like Adachi, they learn the lesson that they're not alone with that power and that justice WILL come banging on their door, so while they don't exactly turn good, they go back to living ordinary lives rather than being supercriminals. (well, except fungami yuuya. That guy does end on a more heroic note than most of the others and kinda represents the best those people Can become.)

Which reminds me I really love this quote from yu in the p4 anime during the fight with adachi as he's literally dragging adachis gun in front of his face : "no matter what you say... You won't get away with this! And THAT, is THE TRUTH! ". Sums up exactly this theme in very effective scene.

Edited by Yumil on Mar 2nd 2021 at 1:34:18 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#60963: Mar 2nd 2021 at 6:58:19 AM

I always had the impression that Adachi just has a massively inflated opinion of himself and the reason for his misanthropy is that he hated the world for not delivering him everything he thought he deserved on a silver platter.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Risdio51 The Unknown Pleasure they were talking about from that exit they call Paradise Since: Jun, 2019 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
The Unknown Pleasure they were talking about
#60964: Mar 2nd 2021 at 7:20:25 AM

I love how Adachi pulls a 180 in Arena and just says "Yeah, Persona 4 was just an emo phase, in reality, I just hate you."

I can't say goodbye to yesterday…
Zeldalover Since: Oct, 2020
#60965: Mar 2nd 2021 at 8:41:51 AM

so for someone more experienced with mainline smt would you classify ameno sagiri as law or chaos. Because a lot of the stuff he says lines up with what ive heard about the law faction. But he also concedes after you beat him which seems to echo the might makes right philosiphy of chaos plus he uses Adachi as his pawn and that guy seems pretty chaos leaning to me.

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#60966: Mar 2nd 2021 at 9:02:19 AM

[up][up][up]I can see where this idea comes from, but again, Arena has him mostly shed the inflated opinion of himself and makes being lucid on his condition one of his most consistent traits, and he still stands by "seriously hating the world" so I do think it runs deeper than that. It might be a case of starting to believe it because of inflated ego and then holding on to the idea even after losing the initial reasoning tho, or maybe finding other reasons to feed that idea.

Edited by Yumil on Mar 2nd 2021 at 6:04:09 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#60967: Mar 2nd 2021 at 9:35:32 AM

[up][up][up] and [up] Correction, Adachi was in Arena Ultimax, not vanilla Arena.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#60968: Mar 2nd 2021 at 10:56:48 AM

IMO Ameno Sagiri (and Nyx before him) are actually coded as Neutral, representing as they do apathy and ignorance.

Bewitching Eyes
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#60969: Mar 2nd 2021 at 12:47:55 PM

Death is actually associated with Law. P3 wasn’t really concerned with showing as such, but PQ does go on to state those associated with death like the Reaper or Chronos are agents of Order.

But more in line with Cosmic Order, which is eldritch.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 2nd 2021 at 12:48:33 PM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#60970: Mar 2nd 2021 at 3:13:23 PM

I mean, honest question here, how relevant is the Law/Chaos/Neutrality system in Persona? The games are about Jungian psychoanalysis, which isn't super connected to that core morality system. The closest would be P5 being very Chaos in its aesthetics, but I wouldn't say it's advocating for Social Darwinism.

Makir Since: Feb, 2017
#60971: Mar 2nd 2021 at 3:21:34 PM

[up] I mean the entire (original) final dungeon of Persona 5 is pretty much the biggest Mythology Gag of Mainline SMT: a twisted world full of (altough "fake"/shadow) angels and ruled by a despotic god, with a Boss Bonanza of the Four Archangels to boot. The final fight is SMT Law vs SMT Chaos in its most classic.

Also I didn't notice till it was pointed out on this site, but Satanael does Kaneko's Lucifer classic pose in the cutscene when he's summoned (the arms to the sides, one leg moved slightly up) while his normal in-game pose is different (the arms are down and the legs are straight)

Edited by Makir on Mar 2nd 2021 at 12:34:32 PM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#60972: Mar 2nd 2021 at 3:30:33 PM

It’s always been more understated and not major like it is in the mainline games, but even 1-2 were the product of the embodiment of self-destructive chaos seeking to destroy the world to win a bet, with him finding it hilarious before he gets cut down that humans are inherently so chaotic not even the embodiment of chaos can beat them.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 2nd 2021 at 3:31:04 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#60973: Mar 2nd 2021 at 5:12:46 PM

Arguably 1 and 2's wider conflict is more like neutral vs chaos. Philemon's pretty up front about standing for humanity, both good and bad.

Zeldalover Since: Oct, 2020
#60974: Mar 2nd 2021 at 10:52:45 PM

finished persona 4 (and yes I got the true ending). Id give it a 9/10. Probably going to wait a while to play 3 or 5 since the game took a lot out of me. Also what do I get for NG+?

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#60975: Mar 2nd 2021 at 11:35:56 PM

NG+ gives you a bonus boss a new persona and start with your old social stats so you can get those early lines that require max courage and if Golden a custom difficulty option.


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